Poll regarding X-PERT High Fat/Low Carb diet

[zand]

Does anyone think DUK's dietary advice is good advice?

 

[zand]

It's the insulin doing the work regardless of what diet you follow, without insulin we wouldn't be here.

not necessarily so with type 2's who may have been able to manage without insulin if they had been advised correctly in the past. That's why I specified 'and if type 2....'.I have read on this forum that some T2's who were on insulin were able to stop using it when they followed LCHF.

 

[noblehead]

not necessarily so with type 2's who may have been able to manage without insulin if they had been advised correctly in the past. That's why I specified 'and if type 2....'.I have read on this forum that some T2's who were on insulin were able to stop using it when they followed LCHF.

But then some haven't despite dietary changes, but lets not derail the thread any longer and let the poll run its course.

 

[zand]

...... but lets not derail the thread any longer and let the poll run its course.

OK

 

[donnellysdogs]

Does anyone think DUK's dietary advice is good advice?

No, appalling.

 

[Bluetit1802]

Voted. No guessing which option for.

 

[IanD]

That's fine if your just wanting to get support for Dr Deakin's modified dietary advice, I thought your intentions were to make DUK change their stance on promoting a HCLF diet, perhaps by showing that people on this forum use other methods of dietary control (not just LCHF) would help to change hearts and minds at DUK.

So the other option I would have included is moderation, as Dr Deakin was promoting when she was talking at the Diabetes UK conference back in 2013..

If you read the quote in the OP you will see Trudi is not being pedantic about LCHF. The aim is to recognise it as an alternative approach to the one bog standard HCLF, & avoid the DUK condemnation of HF. There may be other alternatives, but that would complicate a (hopefully) simple poll.

 

[Avocado Sevenfold]

Done. Thank you, Ian

 

[noblehead]

If you read the quote in the OP you will see Trudi is not being pedantic about LCHF. The aim is to recognise it as an alternative approach to the one bog standard HCLF, & avoid the DUK condemnation of HF. There may be other alternatives, but that would complicate a (hopefully) simple poll.

No that's fine, hope it all goes well

 

[Avocado Sevenfold]

Is there a way to do this poll from a tablet or ipad etc?

I voted on my iPad ok. Hope you get it sorted DD

 

[donnellysdogs]

I voted on my iPad ok. Hope you get it sorted DD

Nope still can't find how to find it!!!

 

[daddys1]

So do we not want a poll to reflect all the members of this forum, there's two options there but it leaves an important one out, which is why many people may not be able to vote, hence why I've pointed this out to Ian.

Think your wrong Noblehead, once you do that, then theres varying degrees of every thing, you would go on forever with multitudes of questions. The fact is the standard offer from the NHS is wrong for most people, therefore offering a direct opposite which will work even if people want to moderate later, then that is up to them. It's the education we need for new diabetics re Lower Carbs & Higher Fat not a mish mash.
Neil

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

Depending on what your diet was before you changed it, the official dietary advice might be a vast improvement (i.e. if you ate massive amounts of take-out high fat/high carb food then switched to the official low fat high carb diet). And if you do manage to follow it to the letter with calorie restriction to lose weight, it can work to lower blood glucose levels, but may not be sustainable by most people.

However, for long-term health, low carb high fat is, in my opinion, better than the official dietary advice.

And, of course, this whole debate hinges on how LCHF is defined.

 

[daddys1]

Depending on what your diet was before you changed it, the official dietary advice might be a vast improvement (i.e. if you ate massive amounts of take-out high fat/high carb food then switched to the official low fat high carb diet). And if you do manage to follow it to the letter with calorie restriction to lose weight, it can work to lower blood glucose levels, but may not be sustainable by most people.

However, for long-term health, low carb high fat is, in my opinion, better than the official dietary advice.

And, of course, this whole debate hinges on how LCHF is defined.

Hi NoCarbs4me, I couldn't agree more, but that is just adding alternatives to the poll, what do you want to put a proviso, that if you were on a HFHC diet before, then you may want to vote for a different option like the current option, don't think so.
I would think at the moment it is defined by Trudi Deakins book!
Neil

 

[donnellysdogs]

And let's face it though... LCHF .. As I know is a sustainable lifestyle choice.

People that are calorie restricted constantly give up. The general public think they are buying low fat because it's healthy without realising the extra sugar etc.
the majority of persons that need to lose weight do not do it for medical reasons but for holidays, weddings etc.. So they then revert back to their old ways because they only "diet" for a short time for a reason.. And they can't sustain it.

LCHF is sustainable as Trudi mentions in her data...

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

How does Trudi define LCHF?

 

[daddys1]

How does Trudi define LCHF?

Have you got the Book?

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

Have you got the Book?

That doesn't answer my question at all!

 

[daddys1]

Hi @NoCrbs4Me
Yes it does because if you had, it would save me quoting & explaining to you, if you haven't then I will try and be as concise as possible and explain what she says. But I am surprised with all the links you read that you have not acquired this publication.
I think your been a little cheeky here, co's it does not seem much different to what you preach, most of the time, but she does allow degrees, which is exactly what you pointed out earlier with regards to this poll.

Neil

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

Hi @NoCrbs4Me
Yes it does because if you had, it would save me quoting & explaining to you, if you haven't then I will try and be as concise as possible and explain what she says. But I am surprised with all the links you read that you have not acquired this publication.
I think your been a little cheeky here, co's it does not seem much different to what you preach, most of the time, but she does allow degrees, which is exactly what you pointed out earlier with regards to this poll.

Neil

Using some straight forward and simple logic, if I had Trudi's book I wouldn't be asking the question, unless you assume I'm being an ass. I really don't need another LCHF book. If she doesn't define what low carb is or what high fat is, then never mind my question.