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Pitbull10

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hello new th forum. Not new to DB I have been t2 for 6 years have delt with it with diet alone after getting bloods down. The last two months I have felt poorly went to DB nurse and my bloods 4 days ago were 32.7 I have been on metformin and various units of nova mix for past 4 days. Still at 27.6 this evening. My question is what went wrong and is this normal. I'm 54 and weigh 14 stone I and still feeling really ill. Thank you in advance.
 

Daibell

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Hi. A few points. First are you having a low-carb diet? What is your BMI? Even at age 54 you may be a late onset T1 and not T2; mis-diagnosis is common. Ensure you have a low-carb diet until your weight/BMI is in the good zone. If your BS is still high then I would suspect being T1 and you may need to change you insulin regime from mixed to Basal/Bolus.
 

daisy1

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@Pitbull10

Hello and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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Pitbull10

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Thank you for your reply my bmi is hi but I am thin. 6 ft tall and 14 stone but I have lost a stone in past 3 weeks. This morning my bloods are 18.8 and my advice is 20 units plus 1000mg of met. My diet has not changed I am a chef so I cook all my food and don't eat junk food it a balanced diet.
 

Catlady19

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Hi, welcome to the forum!

Gosh, that's all a bit scary. That's what I hate most about DB, you think things are fine and then suddenly your bloods shoot up for no apparent reason! :banghead: Have you been unwell recently, ie. cold, etc? It's no wonder you feel generally unwell with bloods that high :(.

Hope you get it sorted soon. :)
 

Pitbull10

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Hi, welcome to the forum!

Gosh, that's all a bit scary. That's what I hate most about DB, you think things are fine and then suddenly your bloods shoot up for no apparent reason! :banghead: Have you been unwell recently, ie. cold, etc? It's no wonder you feel generally unwell with bloods that high :(.

Hope you get it sorted soon. :)
Yes out of blue feeling very poorly when my bs was taken metre was just hi hi hi 32.8 hi hi hi after 4 days and 50 units of insulin 30 mix my morning reading is 18.8 so it's coming down at night but by bedtime it will be hi or on 30s I can't get an answer from anyone why this is happening. I am waiting for scan of my liver and kidneys. Is it that they who should know don't know.
 

Pinkorchid

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Strange as whatever you were doing for the last six years was working well so it is not the fault of your diet. More likely I think it was a virus or infection that has messed with your levels and is now taking a little time to get right again. Hope you feel better soon
 

Pitbull10

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Yes out of blue feeling very poorly when my bs was taken metre was just hi hi hi 32.8 hi hi hi after 4 days and 50 units of insulin 30 mix my morning reading is 18.8 so it's coming down at night but by bedtime it will be hi or on 30s I can't get an answer from anyone why this is happening. I am waiting for scan of my liver and kidneys. Is it that they who should know don't know.
Strange as whatever you were doing for the last six years was working well so it is not the fault of your diet. More likely I think it was a virus or infection that has messed with your levels and is now taking a little time to get right again. Hope you feel better soon
thank you
 

Paul_Bolt

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Welcome and fingers crossed that you get the results and provide you some answers. Did your care team say how long they expect these meds to kick in and did they say to come back if no change?
 

Pitbull10

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Welcome and fingers crossed that you get the results and provide you some answers. Did your care team say how long they expect these meds to kick in and did they say to come back if no change?
They have been very good dbn is in contact by messaging from 7 in morning til 12 midnight. I send her readings and tells me how many units to take. You can complain about that. I'm just worried about it.
 

Lamont D

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You say you are on a balanced diet. With blood sugars that high it is either an infection or your diet contains far too many sugars and carbs!

I would imagine that being a chef you cook from scratch and the food you eat is fresh and not processed.
Could you give us an idea of what you eat and then we can recommend what you need to do!
 

Pitbull10

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You say you are on a balanced diet. With blood sugars that high it is either an infection or your diet contains far too many sugars and carbs!



I would imagine that being a chef you cook from scratch and the food you eat is fresh and not processed.
Could you give us an idea of what you eat and then we can recommend what you need to do!

Yesterday
Breakfast shreddies cup tea
11 ish cup of crowned coffee slice brown toast
Lunch
chilli brown rice with water
Dinner
Egg noodles veg stir fryed
Today
Weatabix tea
Lounch coffee brown toast scrambled egg.
Bloods 24.9 after 1000mg met and 20 units of insulin ????
 

Lamont D

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Reactive hypoglycemia
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I do not have diabetes
Yesterday
Breakfast shreddies cup tea
11 ish cup of crowned coffee slice brown toast
Lunch
chilli brown rice with water
Dinner
Egg noodles veg stir fryed
Today
Weatabix tea
Lounch coffee brown toast scrambled egg.
Bloods 24.9 after 1000mg met and 20 units of insulin ????

In my opinion, the amount of high carbs in every meal is what is continuing to raise your blood glucose levels.
Carbs are just the same as sugar for diabetic patients.
You are going to have to reduce the amount you eat if you want your bloods to come down.
If you look at the low carb forum, there you will find great ideas and recipes that will help reduce blood sugars even if you medicate more!

Low carb works, you just have been unaware of what these 'healthy' carbs were doing to you!
Hope this helps, if need be, asks more questions!
 

Daibell

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Hi. Thanks for the feedback. Yes, your diet has a few too many carbs but not excessive. The fact that you have lost weight recently leads me to suspect late onset T1; but I can only guess. I would try to reduce the carbs a bit further but anyway do ask the GP to change you over to the Basal/Bolus ( two insulins) regime which does mean 4 to 5 injections per day rather than 2 but you have complete control and with carb-counting the meal time shots you can keep things fairly tight. I'm still listed as a T2 but I know I'm a T1 but my lovely, experienced DN swapped me from just Basal to Basal/Bolus within a month when she saw my control was not good enough. All this assumes you don't have an infection and that reducing the carbs further has little effect.
 

Dean2015

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Hi
I find my bloods always raise when i have an infection, that may be why your feeling unwell, maybe speak to your GP and make sure you drink plenty.

Dean
 

misswhiplash

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Agreed - that sounds pretty high for T2. Esp with recent weight loss, I'd def get the nurse to consider T1 (or similar). Hope things sort themselves out soon!
 

Dean2015

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Also keep a diary as well ,will help your GP , make sure you mark your energy levels and what you are eating and drinking