A REAL Cure for Diabetes

[Concorde]

Type 2
Stacks of gym work and loads of walking plus a weightwatchers diet led me to reduce insulin intake from 2 x 42 per day to 1 x 24 and over a period an HbA1c of 40.

 

[Brit90]

re the juicing diet.

I would be every wary of this as your gut needs fibre to stay healthy. Doctors are linking bowel cancer with too little fibre in your diet. I simply can't see that juicing 8 apples or pounds of vegetables for example can be good for you, as your body is designed to chew food. Also there are an awful lot of sugars in all those concentrated juiced fruits, which if you are not producing insulin, will send your bg levels pretty high or so I would think.

I fear someone is pulling our legs here.... :***:

Juicing doesn't mean Fruits only. You can get juiced cabbages, tomatoes, lettuce, broccoli, whatever it is you think your body needs. Green leafed vegetables are great for nutrient intake. How many people here take Vitamins? Vitamins, are destroyed by the stomach acid, so ingesting 1000mg of a vitamin, I think you would be lucky to get 20% through into your body.

The main problem is, everyone hears this or that from other people and always think they know better. Granted, learning from advice can be good, but doing it yourself and proving yourself or others wrong, imo is better (in this case). We all know that the current medical stance on diets for Diabetics is generally wrong and if you don't follow it, are you not following it because someone else told you its wrong, or did you read something then experiment and found the new advice better after trying it?

As for scares about too much this or don't do that, well look at life as we know it. Smoking, does cause cancer, people do it and inhaling smoke directly or second hand smoke is a cause. Drinking too much alcohol, either makes someone an alcoholic with a shrivelled liver or a binge drinker who has an enlarge liver.

For the comment about poisoning myself with Vit A, I really don't see that as a problem. I am not eating 10kgs of carrots a day. More like 2-300 grams. I have also seen in the news people dying from drinking too much water, as their brain swells up and haemorrhages but its rare.


8am - 8.3 - I will inject today to see how things go. Hopefully not too low.
Breakfast was:
3 carrots, 2 tomatos and 3 lettuces juiced, 1 banana
Insulin intake 40 units

 

[Phoebe13]

If you have Type 1, and any kind of diabetes knowledge at all, you should know the only "cure" for your diabetes would be a functioning pancreas.

Eating a restricted diet and cutting down your insulin isn't the same thing as curing your diabetes.

 

[Brit90]

Phoebe13, yes I know that. But still evidence has shown (debatable by others) that ingesting certain foods can help reduce your insulin which may or may not lead to not having your insulin reduced.

I do find it amazing how people all just say things they have read and never tried.

Anyway, those who are Type 2 may find this interesting, which does reinforce my Juicing method of "bypassing the stomach" to allow things to work better in your body -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-23453330

 

[Kerry-Michelle]

I'm sorry but I think that this post could do some damage to newly diagnosed people or people who have only had diabetes for a few years.. It gives them hope o get rid of their illness but unfortunately it can only be controlled not cured! Whether someone has type 1 or 2 they should not be stereotyped we are all the same with a few minor differences.. I think that this post is very antagonising.

Kerry x


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[SpaceChick]

Anyway, those who are Type 2 may find this interesting, which does reinforce my Juicing method of "bypassing the stomach" to allow things to work better in your body -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-23453330

This article made me angry. It's implies that all type 2's are obese, eat rubbish and do no exercise. I'm a genetic type 2. Despite an excellent diet and regular exercise, my pancreas started underperforming, just like my Mums, Grandfathers and great grandmothers did before me.

 

[Shzz46]

I'm sorry but I think that this post could do some damage to newly diagnosed people or people who have only had diabetes for a few years.. It gives them hope o get rid of their illness but unfortunately it can only be controlled not cured! Whether someone has type 1 or 2 they should not be stereotyped we are all the same with a few minor differences.. I think that this post is very antagonising.

Kerry x


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I agree with what your saying any young person who's just been diagnosed will read this and think if they follow what they are reading that they will be able to cure themselves


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[Engineer88]

8am - 8.3 - I will inject today to see how things go. Hopefully not too low.
Breakfast was:
3 carrots, 2 tomatos and 3 lettuces juiced, 1 banana
Insulin intake 40 unitsBrit90

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You must be bloody crazy injecting that much insulin for what counts up as about 20g of carbs!! I wouldnt be surprized if that was a serious overdose of insulin. What the hell are you thinking?

 

[catherinecherub]

I think it is time that the Mods/Admin looked at this thread. The title is misleading to say the least.
You cannot cure Type1 diabetes.

 

[Kerry-Michelle]

I'm sorry but I think that this post could do some damage to newly diagnosed people or people who have only had diabetes for a few years.. It gives them hope o get rid of their illness but unfortunately it can only be controlled not cured! Whether someone has type 1 or 2 they should not be stereotyped we are all the same with a few minor differences.. I think that this post is very antagonising.

Kerry x


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I agree with what your saying any young person who's just been diagnosed will read this and think if they follow what they are reading that they will be able to cure themselves


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I myself have only had type 1 for just over a year and I read this post thinking "oooh could it be true" then it hit me knowing that its not true, yeah it might lower your insulin units but its not going to solve the actual problem in the first place.. Many people my age could be doing the same to this post!

Deathly post in my eyes...

Kerry x


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[noblehead]

I myself have only had type 1 for just over a year and I read this post thinking "oooh could it be true" then it hit me knowing that its not true, yeah it might lower your insulin units but its not going to solve the actual problem in the first place.. Many people my age could be doing the same to this post!

Deathly post in my eyes...

Unfortunately that's the nature of Internet for you, a great resource for information but a lot of quackery out there when it comes to diabetes.

 

[Talos]

I just read in the paper a gastric bypass may be the cure for type2 , bit drastic I'm thinking.

 

[Brit90]

8am - 8.3 - I will inject today to see how things go. Hopefully not too low.
Breakfast was:
3 carrots, 2 tomatos and 3 lettuces juiced, 1 banana
Insulin intake 40 unitsBrit90

Posts: 15
Joined: May 23rd, 2012, 8:34 am
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You must be bloody crazy injecting that much insulin for what counts up as about 20g of carbs!! I wouldnt be surprized if that was a serious overdose of insulin. What the hell are you thinking?

I am normally on 50 units - per injection. This is Lantus - probably not what you are on

 

[Brit90]

I just read in the paper a gastric bypass may be the cure for type2 , bit drastic I'm thinking.

As it states, bypassing the digestion of the stomach can help benefit people with Type 2. Gastric bypass is way more serious, and I wouldn't recommend that at all. Which is why I am trying to get a balance of both.

 

[Yorksman]

I just read in the paper a gastric bypass may be the cure for type2 , bit drastic I'm thinking.

How this started was that physicians noticed that obese people who had diabetes and who had bariatric surgery appeared to be cured of their diabetes. This resulted in the research. It goes back many years. However, as the USA is funded by private insurance as as they are facing a huge bill for diabetes, some people are suggesting that it becomes a possible treatment. The study is by the Rand Corporation, 'Bariatric Surgery for Weight Loss and Glycemic Control in Nonmorbidly Obese Adults with Diabetes'.

However, the reaction from physicians has been "There is not enough evidence to justify widely recommending bariatric surgery such as gastric bypass for patients with moderate obesity and diabetes, according to a systematic review from the RAND Corporation published in JAMA this week."

Of course, it won't be introduced here. They don't like to spend anything if they can help it. The govt. is more likely to lock people up and feed them on cabbage soup, 'in their own interests' of course.

 

[janeecee]

Bariatric surgery isn't without risks, so I'm not convinced it's a good idea as a routine treatment for diabetes. If the ND had the same outcome (we assume), then it seems a safer option that bariatric surgery, surely.

BTW, Yorksman, you seem to have studied the ND experiment in great depth. Have you been tempted to try it? If it helps restore first phase insulin response, isn't it worth a try?


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[Yorksman]

BTW, Yorksman, you seem to have studied the ND experiment in great depth. Have you been tempted to try it? If it helps restore first phase insulin response, isn't it worth a try?

Not the severe diet because I started to see if I could control it via diet and exercise and discovered that by eating less but including some complex carbs in moderation I lost weight anyway. I basically have two red meat days, two fish days, two poultry days and one veggie day per week and stick to things like rye bread, wholewheat pasta, brown rice, barley etc, but all this in moderation. I have lost 30Kg since the beginning of the year and my bloods at the moment vary between 4.8 and 5.2 in the day.

I saw from the FAQ on the Newcastle site that:

"The essential point is that substantial weight loss must be achieved. The time course of weight loss is much less important"

"It is also very important to emphasise that sustainability of weight loss is the most important thing to ensure that diabetes stays away after the initial weight loss. Previous research has shown that steady weight loss over a 5 – 6 month period is more likely to be successful in keeping weight down in the long term."

I'll just keep on the current course. It suits me. I have no difficulty in maintaining my diet because I enjoy the cooking. I have the advantage that I work from home and have the time. Simply not commuting gives me a couple of extra hours per day. My wife also like it because everything is ready for her when she gets home and she has loads of ideas for christmas and birthday presents now. My daughter got me a book on one pot and slow cooking for father's day for example. I can also devote some time to exercise at home 2 x 15 mins per day. I'm hoping my HBA1c will be below 40 for my next test around Novemeber.

 

[janeecee]

Blimey, 30kg! If you're enjoying your food then you're going to keep any weight gain at bay. So many people can make big changes through weight loss but I don't have that option. When you say 4.8–5.2 is that after eating? Are you "reversed" in that case? You'd better keep those numbers quiet otherwise people will accuse you of being non-diabetic :lol:


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[Yorksman]

When you say 4.8–5.2 is that after eating? Are you "reversed" in that case? You'd better keep those numbers quiet otherwise people will accuse you of being non-diabetic :lol:

I take 4 readings at the moment, one first thing, one after lunch, one after dinner and one before I go to bed. I don't know if it is anything to do with reversal and the levels are low because I am not eating much carbohydrate, a small amount of porridge, a couple of slices of rye bread and say 60 gm of brown rice or wholegrain pasta. I do well on fish, sardines, tuna, mackerel, salmon, prawns, shrimps, white fish. It's a versatile foodstuff. Not too sure what will happen in the autumn when I will want winter warmers

 

[janeecee]

Very impressive! I used to have around 60g brown rice or wholewheat pasta uncooked weight before I discovered I had a problem with blood sugar. I'd be in double figures with those amounts, and I always considered my diet to be good with few vices. That's why I'm completely flummoxed by it. In many respects the overweight people with bad dietary habits are the lucky ones because they can make changes that will almost guarantee results.

Did your BG levels fall as you lost weight in a sort of linear fashion ie, losing a stone reduced BG by a certain amount, or was your progress erratic? What I am confused by is the 'fat burning' mode that occurs during weight loss—how would it affect BG levels? Would it cause the BG levels to rise in the absence of enough calories or carbs? I hear a lot about 'starvation mode' and 'physiological insulin resistance' that causes the body to break down fats and/or protein to prioritise blood glucose for the brain. Do you think it actually happens when someone like yourself changes their dietary regime to cut carbs and lose weight?




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