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Advice on Newcastle Diet for smaller women

I have a belief mainly based on the fact the Newcastle diet was very specific in the blend of food groups, and there hasn't been a great deal of investigation into how it worked. But it did seem to, so for the sake of a diet for 8 weeks, I would do it as it was originally done.
I was lucky, in that I did a food version, rather than shakes, but it was virtually no fat, little protein, mainly salad and veg. In spite of dire warnings, I came to no harm, no gallstones, no terrible hunger, no starvation mode, no metabolism disasters, no yo yo weight gain.
I do seem to have driven my type 2 away though.

Some on here wouldn't be happy without adding fat, or be happy to eat the amount of carbs on the original Newcastle diet.
But it you look at results, those who do a close approximation of the original diet, do seem to be able to tolerate carbs better later, suggesting it does have a better result than variatons.
 
I did the same diet as @SunnyExpat and I developed a great deal of pain in my bones. It felt like my bones were drying out. I had to stop at 7 weeks because I couldn't bear the pain anymore. I craved cream and icecream and found them to be better than painkillers. I didn't yo-yo weight gain, but I did put on a couple of pounds afterwards.
 
Hmm so can't get optifast 800 in uk which does have lower fat that the slim fast shakes. I'm not faffing around with doing it on food only. I don't have the time. I will try to cut more fat out of my veg portion to try to replicate as closely as possible the ND. I feel fine so I don't think reducing the fat in the veg portion is going to upset my system it's just giving me something I'm willing to put in my mouth and swallow that's the issue


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Pretty much like @SunnyExpat and @zand I did the diet much as Taylor used for his research. I didn't have any problems with lack of fat other than boredom with the steamed and dry baked vegetables but hey this was not supposed to be fun it was an attempt to reverse my diabetes and as such I was prepared to see it out for eight weeks and had no regrets. I did use some low fat gravies and sauces on the veges but counted them in the calories for the veges
 
Yeah I'm counting it in to the calories. Will see what I can do to stop using them if I can but without some sort of fat I think I will gag(I did the first night ). I suppose I could just live on raw carrots which is the only veg I tolerate without added stuff


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Anyway Fbg at 7:45am 8.2 lowest ever


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A great part of the benefit for me, was resetting all my tastes and preferences.
I certainly ate badly, and there were a lot of foods I didn't like.
After a very low calorie diet, I was eating a lot better, and was happy to eat any foods, despite my previous preferences.
It is one of the main goals of the optifast diet used in the original trials, to wean the patient of their (normally bad) food, re set their eating habits, then to re-introduce a carefully structured healthy plan at the end.
 
Hmm I've never eaten that badly just too much, always enjoyed veg etc but have got a sweet tooth. Didn't find being Lchf at all problematic. I don't believe I need to change my eating habits as I'll happily live Lchf for the rest of my life. I just need to try to put my diabetes into remission which Lchf wasn't doing


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Naomi425 said:
I don't believe I need to change my eating habits as I'll happily live Lchf for the rest of my life. I just need to try to put my diabetes into remission which Lchf wasn't doing
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Hi Naomi if you believe that you do not need to change your eating habits you will be right and you will continue to get the same results you have been getting

Naomi425 said:
Anyway Fbg at 7:45am 8.2 lowest ever
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However you have changed your eating habits and already had this result. It isn't easy and there are no guarantees but go another full week with the veges and judge by the results. Try a vegetable soup that is 200 cals a serve, stirfry with just a spray of coconut oil and a little soy sauce, dry bake and make up a low cal gravy there are lots of options including a little tomato sauce just count the calories and if need be in the end hold your nose and eat them steamed

The short term pain might just get you a long term win
Best Wishes
Muzza
 
I think there's a real difference with what I'm doing now and my change in Feb when I went onto a Lchf diet for life approx 1200 Cals a day for me. I knew that would be too slow an effect in terms of reducing my bgs, although they did go down a bit. I enjoyed that food and I'm looking forward to eating it again in just under 7 weeks. I'm trying to avoid going on meds by doing 800 Cals via shakes and 250g of veg on weekdays (the ND)And the Michael Moseley book for weekends ( so my BF and I can enjoy time and cooking together.)This spray of oil just means everything sticks , I hate making soups (too much mess) and dry roasting tbh sounds repulsive. Im sticking solidly to 800 Cals (counting the calories for all the veg and fat along with the shakes and nicotine replacement via my fitness pal)and reducing my fat as much as I can during the week. I think in the end I can't fully replicate the ND as I can't get optifast 800 replacements and they are lower fat than UK shakes.


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And I am completely sticking to all this and it is totally in line with the advice I got from Newcastle as I emailed them to check before I did this diet . But I'm hoping that I don't have to do this crazy 8 weeks again as its not a great way to live . Lchf is a perfectly reasonable lifestyle


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We're not saying lchf isn't a good lifestyle.

I think what we're saying is the Newcastle diet is 8 weeks of Newcastle diet, and the Newcastle diet isn't lchf.
It's eight weeks of your life against your future, so, yes, it's hard work.
And possibly anti social, and possibly repulsive.
But, it's a gamble.
It may not work, even if you do it by the book.
But, it has documented evidence that a particular diet did work for some.

But some on here also do lchf instead, but that is for life, and no going back for many, but that seems to work for them.
 
I know that but ND is for 8 weeks and that is what I am doing


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Then back to Lchf hopefully as my bgs are stabilised


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Anyway on a much more basic note. Slightly constipated and still cold. Dreading tomorrow as its meant to be cold for people not on ND. But otherwise I'm fine. And btw the super drug milk shakes are horrible. Sticking to slim fast I think


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Naomi, correct me if I'm wrong but weren't you eating some dairy and low carb grains/ breads etc? Maybe you are inadvertently losing some weight by eliminating them from your diet. Maybe after your done with the 8 weeks staying away from those foods may continue to help weight loss and bs.

Asparagus broccoli Etc are great with squeeze of lemon juice. And as weird as it sounds I also like veggies with a swipe of Dijon mustard. Both almost calorie free.

Glad to hear it's a success so far.
 
Brunneria said:
Horseradish is good as a condiment too.
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YES! I keep forgetting to get some. Off to the store. I'm thinking it would be great on salmon. Oh, and mixed with mayo! I'm not on the NC diet haha. I'm in the mood for a new sauce. Guess what I'm having for dinner!
Thanks B
 
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