Anyone still unsure about the type of diabetes they have?

liquid_ears

Member
Messages
5
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Insulin
I'm a 20 year old male who was diagnosed at the beginning of the year with diabetes. For the past three years, I noticed that I began drinking a lot of water, all day long, busting to go to the toilet maybe once every hour. I weigh about 60kg and am about 180cm tall. I'm of Southern Italian decent, on both sides of the family, living in Australia. Both my grandfathers (my Nonnos) were diagnosed with type 2 at around age 55 - coincidently they were born in the same year, and were diagnosed in the same year. Beat that!

I have been reflecting on my lifestyle over the past few years, and I walk to the bus stop and around uni campus, and I started going to the gym quite frequently last year. I used to snack a lot on fruit and other sweet snacks, and I always went back for 2/3 servings. I like to sit playing video games for about 3-4 hours straight sometimes, but I like to walk the dog or go for a swim often too, so I'm not a complete couch potato.

Anyways, now for the story, ;)

I went to see the GP and had a blood test. Fasting glucose was 16.5. I was immediately hospitalised, and diagnosed as type 1 until furhter notice. I'm young and thin, not the usual 'requirements' that they were expecting for type 2 so I went along with it. I was seen by a general doctor in emergency, who explained the overall concept of diabetes, but it's talked about so much in the school curriculum I already knew most of the what she was talking about.

They sent me off to a ward in the hospital and we waited for the specialist to arrive. The nurses started to give me injections of insulin with my meals, a mix of Novorapid and another long lasting insulin. My diabetes educator got me to start taking my own readings, and I saw an endocrinologist who was a stand in for my ongoing doctor (my parents had requested for somebody we knew). He put the requested an increase in the levels of my insulin, and the nurses kept checking on me during the night, keeping an eye on my levels. I saw my diabetes educator the next day again, who explained that I was still a type 1 in their eyes, and that it would be easier in the long run to switch from a type 1 treatment to a type 2 treatment than the other way around. I was shown how to do injections by myself and also how to check my ketone levels with the same glucose meter.

After speaking to my actual endocrinologist later that morning, I was discharged from hospital and sent home, with a check up scheduled for the following week, and regular phone contact with my educator. They kept putting my insulin levels up over the phone as my glucose levels were still in the high teens and even twenties after dinner. When some more blood test results came a fortnight later, I did not have any antibodies for type 1 and the endocrinologist told me that even though there was only a slim chance that I was still a type 1. I was more likely a type 2.

I went home on metformin and Lantus (long lasting insulin) for another 3/4 weeks, and my fasting levels slowly began to fall, still having high teens during the day. I had a blood test to check for C peptides, and had a result of 0.2, which I'm told is very low. (What's concerning to me is that I had this test AFTER I started on the metformin, a good 4 weeks into treatment).

The endocrinologist, getting these results, put me back onto Novomix (41 units daily at the moment), and taken off of metformin. The SAME treatment that I was on when they thought I was type 1. I've been getting lower teen levels recently by limiting carbs out where I can and having protein and fat rich foods. Only getting lows where I have a no carb meal (like a boiled egg, etc.) or don't eat for 5 hours or more between meals.

I'm feeling completely lost. I was told that I am insulin resistant, being type 2 and not really responding to the type 1 treatment (although I'm back on it now??) I'm now insulin dependent because of the C peptide results, but the doctor said that they are not a clear indication until my glucose levels are lower, as the functioning of beta cells can be inhibited with my high levels. I'm calling my diabetes educator again tomorrow and I will raise these concerns with her, but I just want to know if anybody has been in the same wishy-washy diagnostic stage, and how you coped and what you told people - importantly, what did you tell yourself?


Extra note, and NOT the main reason that I am posting: (doctor said that it was from genetics (both my grandfathers have T2), aunty thinks it's from my diet mainly)
Now my aunty (not blood related at all, and who is very much into alternative medicine - although she is a qualified GP I think...) came by on the weekend saying how I'm in so much trouble having the insulin that I am doing more damage than good to my pancreas by having a 'negative feedback effect'. She was trying to convince me to cut ALL carbs from my diet, not even considering the GI. It was quit confronting, and she sent me an article from two years ago saying how it's the diet that needs changing, not the medication.

I was lucky that I had friends over and I could make an excuse to get away from her, but she wants to meet up on Sunday to 'have a good long talk about it', and I'm a bit worried. I'm worried if she might actually be right, because my doctor and the nurses in hospital were very slopping by not testing everything before giving me insulin; but on the other hand she is quite dramatic, and is only adding to my confusion as to where my diabetes is at, and what the root of the cause is.
 

AndBreathe

Master
Retired Moderator
Messages
11,344
Type of diabetes
I reversed my Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
I'm a 20 year old male who was diagnosed at the beginning of the year with diabetes. For the past three years, I noticed that I began drinking a lot of water, all day long, busting to go to the toilet maybe once every hour. I weigh about 60kg and am about 180cm tall. I'm of Southern Italian decent, on both sides of the family, living in Australia. Both my grandfathers (my Nonnos) were diagnosed with type 2 at around age 55 - coincidently they were born in the same year, and were diagnosed in the same year. Beat that!

I have been reflecting on my lifestyle over the past few years, and I walk to the bus stop and around uni campus, and I started going to the gym quite frequently last year. I used to snack a lot on fruit and other sweet snacks, and I always went back for 2/3 servings. I like to sit playing video games for about 3-4 hours straight sometimes, but I like to walk the dog or go for a swim often too, so I'm not a complete couch potato.

Anyways, now for the story, ;)

I went to see the GP and had a blood test. Fasting glucose was 16.5. I was immediately hospitalised, and diagnosed as type 1 until furhter notice. I'm young and thin, not the usual 'requirements' that they were expecting for type 2 so I went along with it. I was seen by a general doctor in emergency, who explained the overall concept of diabetes, but it's talked about so much in the school curriculum I already knew most of the what she was talking about.

They sent me off to a ward in the hospital and we waited for the specialist to arrive. The nurses started to give me injections of insulin with my meals, a mix of Novorapid and another long lasting insulin. My diabetes educator got me to start taking my own readings, and I saw an endocrinologist who was a stand in for my ongoing doctor (my parents had requested for somebody we knew). He put the requested an increase in the levels of my insulin, and the nurses kept checking on me during the night, keeping an eye on my levels. I saw my diabetes educator the next day again, who explained that I was still a type 1 in their eyes, and that it would be easier in the long run to switch from a type 1 treatment to a type 2 treatment than the other way around. I was shown how to do injections by myself and also how to check my ketone levels with the same glucose meter.

After speaking to my actual endocrinologist later that morning, I was discharged from hospital and sent home, with a check up scheduled for the following week, and regular phone contact with my educator. They kept putting my insulin levels up over the phone as my glucose levels were still in the high teens and even twenties after dinner. When some more blood test results came a fortnight later, I did not have any antibodies for type 1 and the endocrinologist told me that even though there was only a slim chance that I was still a type 1. I was more likely a type 2.

I went home on metformin and Lantus (long lasting insulin) for another 3/4 weeks, and my fasting levels slowly began to fall, still having high teens during the day. I had a blood test to check for C peptides, and had a result of 0.2, which I'm told is very low. (What's concerning to me is that I had this test AFTER I started on the metformin, a good 4 weeks into treatment).

The endocrinologist, getting these results, put me back onto Novomix (41 units daily at the moment), and taken off of metformin. The SAME treatment that I was on when they thought I was type 1. I've been getting lower teen levels recently by limiting carbs out where I can and having protein and fat rich foods. Only getting lows where I have a no carb meal (like a boiled egg, etc.) or don't eat for 5 hours or more between meals.

I'm feeling completely lost. I was told that I am insulin resistant, being type 2 and not really responding to the type 1 treatment (although I'm back on it now??) I'm now insulin dependent because of the C peptide results, but the doctor said that they are not a clear indication until my glucose levels are lower, as the functioning of beta cells can be inhibited with my high levels. I'm calling my diabetes educator again tomorrow and I will raise these concerns with her, but I just want to know if anybody has been in the same wishy-washy diagnostic stage, and how you coped and what you told people - importantly, what did you tell yourself?


Extra note, and NOT the main reason that I am posting: (doctor said that it was from genetics (both my grandfathers have T2), aunty thinks it's from my diet mainly)
Now my aunty (not blood related at all, and who is very much into alternative medicine - although she is a qualified GP I think...) came by on the weekend saying how I'm in so much trouble having the insulin that I am doing more damage than good to my pancreas by having a 'negative feedback effect'. She was trying to convince me to cut ALL carbs from my diet, not even considering the GI. It was quit confronting, and she sent me an article from two years ago saying how it's the diet that needs changing, not the medication.

I was lucky that I had friends over and I could make an excuse to get away from her, but she wants to meet up on Sunday to 'have a good long talk about it', and I'm a bit worried. I'm worried if she might actually be right, because my doctor and the nurses in hospital were very slopping by not testing everything before giving me insulin; but on the other hand she is quite dramatic, and is only adding to my confusion as to where my diabetes is at, and what the root of the cause is.

I don't want to comment too much on treatment regimes, as your situation sounds a little muddled to me, and I have no experience of using or managing insulin.

A couple of things I will say are that many newly diagnosed T1s find they still have some functioning beta cells, during what is known as the honeymoon period. Indeed, we have some new and relatively newly diagnosed T1 members here, whom after they have rested their beta cells, by using insulin and modifying diet, can actually stop insulin for a while. That doesn't happen to everyone.

However, I do think you have a lot of well meaning people around you, all giving their emphasis ones 2cs worth, and their cumulative advice is conflicting, it seems.

I would urge you to collect your thoughts, and questions all together to ask your diabetes educator when you next talk to her, and perhaps mention, in a no confrontational manner, your concerns about some of the timings of your tests. I couldn't begin to understand if there is or isn't a reason why things have been done in the order they have for you, but somebody must have a grasp of that. Thereafter, you really do have to decide who is going to guide you in the early stages of this diabetes journey, because there are conflicting management ideas out there and you could end up completely befuddled.

Please invest some time, for yourself, in consulting with Dr Google so that you also come educated, and better able to build informed opinions of your own too. Which ever variant of diabetes you transpire to have, you are at he beginning of what is likely a long term trip, so educating yourself now would be an investment in your healthy future.

I hope it all goes well for you.
 

kesun

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Messages
381
Type of diabetes
Other
Treatment type
Diet only
Welcome, liquid-ears. Your story reminds me of my own. I got a T1 diagnosis and was put on insulin, given a carb exchange diet sheet and taught to test for hypos; then it changed to "non-obesity-related" T2 and pretty much told it was all my own fault; then it was back to LADA (essentially T1 for grown-ups!) and insulin injections, then MODY (mature onset diabetes of youth) and now finally mitochondrial diabetes/MIDD (maternally inherited diabetes with deafness - except not everyone with it is deaf!).

If neither the T1 nor the T2 cap fits, do press your medical team to keep testing; there are various types of MODY, more accurately called monogenic diabetes, as well as other kinds of diabetes, all of which have appropriate treatments as well as contra-indicated treatments that may work for other kinds - for example, there's no point giving metformin to non-insulin-resistant types.

But whatever type you turn out to have, low carb is a good idea - as you've seen from your own testing. I found Dr Bernstein's Diabetes Solution incredibly helpful in this regard, but there's plenty of other information available, both online and in books.

Best of luck,
Kate
 

Daibell

Master
Messages
12,653
Type of diabetes
LADA
Treatment type
Insulin
Hi. From what you say you are almost certainly a Late onset T1 or another rarer type and not T2. Many of us have been thru the same struggle. At your age and being slim you will almost certainly not be T2; even as an amateur I can be fairly confident of that. It's good that you are on insulin but it probably needs to be Basal/Bolus as you were on before. The c-peptide is a good indicator of the state of your pancreas (or lack of). The GAD test you probably had is not conclusive for LADA as there are other causes of islet cell destruction such as pancreatitis, viruses and so on and your medics should know this. So, be prepared to insist that you are treated as LADA. I'm still listed as T2 thru the same lack of knowledge of the medics but at least I'm on Basal/Bolus and have no concerns on my treatment now. BTW my GAD was negative but with a low c-peptide. I've also always been slim.
 

muzza3

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Messages
1,789
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
Dislikes
Cauliflower pretending to be rice and any vegetable pretending to be pasta
Welcome @liquid_ears

I am not in any position to comment on your diagnosis. However, you are right to keep asking the questions till you get answers that you understand. I also suggest you use this site to ask more questions as you get further results. The feedback and assistance I have received here have been fantastic so continue to take advantage of it. Good luck with the Educator and make sure you raise all of the above with them including you're Aunties views
 

Marley99

Member
Messages
20
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Other
Hi fellow Australian
Although I haven't found them useful when I went to the Diabetes Association in my State what I did discover there are many variations of diabetes.
You might find them useful (membership required) or more confusing.
Sorry I can't be more help.
 

Kyi

Well-Known Member
Messages
293
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hi, You sound so totally cheesed off with being diagnosed as either type 1 or type 2. Your stress levels could be one of the factors of a higher blood glucose reading. Just accept you are diabetic. Change your diet to match a diabetic lifestyle ie lower sugar but not too low. The medications will be sorted once they find what works for you. Yes I know its a pain but you have to live with that fact you are diabetic and need to watch what you eat.
Kate
 

liquid_ears

Member
Messages
5
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Insulin
Hi, You sound so totally cheesed off with being diagnosed as either type 1 or type 2. Your stress levels could be one of the factors of a higher blood glucose reading. Just accept you are diabetic. Change your diet to match a diabetic lifestyle ie lower sugar but not too low. The medications will be sorted once they find what works for you. Yes I know its a pain but you have to live with that fact you are diabetic and need to watch what you eat.
Kate

Sorry, but 'just accept you're a diabetic' doesn't just magically cure everything. I'm not going to wake up one morning and just accept it. It is not that simple. I trust it will come over time, but right now, you're absolutely right I'm cheesed off. I feel like I'm being left in the dark. I sent a form to my doctor last week for him to fill out in order to inform my university of my condition so that I can be given some time in an exam should a hypo happen, and he put on the sheet that I am now a type 1 diabetic again! Without consulting me about any change in condition! I've been checking my ketone levels and they are always less than 0.2. And I did not have any type 1 antibodies.

I have spoken to my diabetic educator, but all she tells me is that '[I'm] handling it well' but it's frustrating because sometimes my insulin works, sometimes it doesn't. I am also not sleeping very well at the moment, and my schedule throughout the day has been thrown completely off. Today I had breakfast at 5pm! I slept in until 1.30pm, but I felt so horrible about myself that I spent three hours in bed. This happened last weekend too, and I didnt have any dinner or evening insulin because I'd had breakfast at about 1pm, then lunch with the family dinner at about 6pm and I did not feel hungry at all before bed. I wasnt about to stuff food down just to have my insulin. It makes me feel sick.

And my insulin is giving me pain when I inject too. It's a stinging pain after the needle has gone in and I've started to inject the insulin, like the insulin itself is the cause of the pain, I think.

Also, please stop trying to label me based on what I am telling you, that's what my doctors did and look where it's gotten me - completely confused and stressed out. There is so much more going on and you will only confuse me more.

Thanks everyone for taking the time to reply, but I've been really frustrated with myself over the past few weeks that I've been back at uni. Work, friends and Diabetes are getting the better of me and I've lost focus. Feel like I'm having a bad month. Feb was good, but not enjoying March.
 
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Kyi

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293
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Sorry, but 'just accept you're a diabetic' doesn't just magically cure everything.
There is no cure for diabetes. You can go into remission where you watch your food all the time. Diabetes is for life. The sooner you accept it the sooner you can stop worrying about it and start clean eating and living. Remember you are not diabetes, you are the one in control. Its your life that you have to deal with. Feeling sorry for yourself is not going to help now is it. So you are up at 5am to eat breakfast. What time did you go to sleep? Im betting it wasnt 10pm. Your body needed more sleep and took another 3hrs. The tale is to make sure you are well rested. Poorly managed diabetes could have also claimed the sleep. Missing meals is a no no for T1 diabetics. Even if its a small meal it is better than none. Your liver is probably dumping glucose because you are not eating sending your sugars haywire. Stress is another "fight or flight" moment, the more you stress about it, the more your liver will dump glucose in preparation for fighting or running. You are young, you can do anything you want, but please respect the diabetes and you will have the energy and go get in you. Yes you are different but so what. There are plenty of different challenges you could be facing. What if you had lost your legs. Would you have given up or would you be the fighter that attained olympian standards in athletics? Life is what you make of it despite all the challenges life brings. If you did not like something your Dr is doing, tell him you do not. It could adversely affect your life and you have the right to tell them so. I happen to think by putting down you are a Type 1 he probably did you a favour and gained you more time in the exam. Do not be ashamed of diabetes its not your fault. It does not matter if you are Type 1 or Type 2 or any of the other variations. You are what you are. Live your life to the fullest you can and take no c**p from people who say you can not. You are the person in control no matter what. You can let other over rule you but that's your decision. Good luck in your journey.
 
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