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Are we reurning to 'normal' too quickly.

Discussion in 'Diabetes Discussions' started by DavidGrahamJones, Jun 20, 2020.

  1. Plumbdot68

    Plumbdot68 · Member

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    Did you know that the mortality rate 0.26 but they won’t tell you that in the media . They are the real VIRUS..
     
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    Plumbdot68 · Member

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    These viruses have only gone up since they introduced vaccinations. Re-search it...
     
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  3. Plumbdot68

    Plumbdot68 · Member

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    Wake up please. The only virus is the media...
     
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  4. Member496333

    Member496333 · Guest

    Not sure I'd go that far. There's quite clearly a nasty virus doing the rounds but, in my opinion, that's about the extent of it. Definitely not the harbinger of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. That narrative was driven largely by clicks for cash and other vested interests. It will all come out in the wash eventually, but how many people will ever be convinced they overreacted is another matter entirely.

    Disclaimer: These are my views only, and are not meant to denigrate those of others.
     
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  5. lindisfel

    lindisfel · Well-Known Member

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    Looks like you guys are pulling in the fringe.:)
     
    #225 lindisfel, Jul 6, 2020 at 7:32 AM
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  6. Goonergal

    Goonergal Type 2 · Master

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    This thread is wandering off track again. To repeat, discussion and polite disagreement relevant to the OP are welcome. Anything else is not. This includes making unsubstantiated assertions - if you would like to challenge the opinions of others please speak either from personal experience or provide a link to back-up your views.

    Any further posts breaching the forum ethos and rules will be deleted.
     
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  7. DavidGrahamJones

    DavidGrahamJones Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I do know that not only are the numbers difficult to record accurately but like all statistics, it's very easy to mislead.
     
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  8. lindisfel

    lindisfel · Well-Known Member

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    The minister on R4 today was questioned about the difference between the distancing on aircraft as opposed to it not being relaxed for theatres.

    Again we didn't get a straight answer.
    I dont recall any answer but they seldom do.
    I can't see any interests wanting to keep theatres closed other than not wanting to spread virus. The science indicates virus can spread 7 seats forward, one back and one either side for an airplane passenger. One just hopes their masks work.

    I know of one office in the North of England that has turned off all air conditioning and opened all windows.
    You guys who go to pubs and even shopping are so brave!.;)
    Derek
     
  9. HSSS

    HSSS Type 2 · Expert

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    Source of that figure would be good please. There are many many stats put out there and without sources how can we evaluate the relevance or accuracy of what you say
     
  10. Max68

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    That's a very good point re air conditioning. I'm not an expert but I know some air conditioning set ups have filters and some don't, although I don't know how well filters do filtering out viruses!! Again not sure but I am sure I read somewhere that part of the reason why viruses travel so quickly through cruise ships (bar the obvious) is down to the reused air in the air conditioning going from cabin to cabin.

    We have all sat in a cinema where you get blown with cold air and yet theatres, certainly the older kind can be quite hot due to size and possibly the lack of modern air con, so it would be interesting to see the science on how air conditioning affects virus spread.
     
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  11. Fairygodmother

    Fairygodmother Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    I find it’s a really difficult balancing act to maintain a life that makes me feel human, to try to avoid catching a virus that may or may not usher me into the big hereafter and to keep an economy that supports us all (and creates unnecessary oodles of wealth for some) going. I am, of course, speaking personally.
    I agree that statistics can be created, published and interpreted in a variety of ways to put across the desired message.
    In darker moments I, too, think that this virus is likely to be with us for a very long time and it’ll take everyone a while to learn how to either accommodate it or to avoid it.
    I wish we knew whether immunity were possible.
    I wish we knew the best ways to adapt our lives.
    I wish we had a vaccine.
    I feel that the measures taken to open up have been given too little independent thought, but I hope I’m wrong.
    I suspect we’ll have to live with rolling local lockdowns for a good while to come, especially when people begin travelling further afield,
     
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  12. Tannith

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    I have supported the economy more than usual since lockdown, judging by my new credit card debt.I have had to run the card up to afford to shop at big supermarkets and buy branded goods because cheaper varieties were not available. I normally shop at Lidl and the open air fruit & veg market. And because of buying a freezer because of the difficulties of getting deliveries in the early days -again more expensive than I wanted because of lockdown shortages. And paid over the odds for hand sanitiser, as again the expensive sort was all I could get.And because I have bought a couple of tins of paint etc and some gardening stuff (seeds+ watering can), which I probably wouldn't have bought without having the extra time on my hands during lockdown. I have saved a bit on coach/plane fares as I have been unable to visit either set of grandchildren, but not on bus fares to the supermarket as I have had to pay delivery charges instead. I imagine that on the whole most people aren't going to eat any less or have any fewer appliance breakdowns than they did before. Trying to avoid the virus causes me to spend more than usual, not less.
     
  13. JRT

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    Thankyou for your reply. I suppose the one advantage of care, certainly the care home i work in ,is that the majority of employees are under 30 and on the whole at lower risk if they get the virus.On the whole they are a very dedicated bunch. They work very hard, some of them 60plus hours a week with poor terms and conditions and no sick pay,all for less than 9.00 HR. Understandably they play hard too, and who would deny them that,their job is both hard and stressful. I think part of my ease at not being their during the crisis was i knew that those less at risk could be.
    In some ways lock down was the easy part. I must admit the current situation with the overall feeling of "its all over" is something i find incredibly stressful. I fully acknowledge there is risk in everything we do in life and i am not risk averse at all. Everyone should be able to do whats best for them. Unfortunately I dont feel im in a position to realistically assess the risk. I live in one of the lowest risk areas in the country,well apart from a recent beach invasion! I would feel reasonably comfortable in society etc but work remains a contentious issue. It also seems a situation where support is increasingly erratic. So much seems to be reliant on being on the receiving end of the right employment, the right employer,the right GP. Im not sure what the future holds, but gut instinct is to bide my time and try and find a job where can work from home in the near future.Any suggestions for a middle aged graduate be most welcome!
     
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  14. Robinredbreast

    Robinredbreast Type 1 · Oracle

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    I started back to my school escort job today, but on a new run, with one child until the end of summer term.
    It's a child with SEN ( special educational needs) and I am happy to still provide a service for the children.
    The driver wears two masks and gloves, I wear a mask and we are all social distancing and in a horizontal V shape on a 9 seater vehicle.
    I have also recently been in a couple of shops, it was a card shop today, still keeping my distance.
     
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  15. Robinredbreast

    Robinredbreast Type 1 · Oracle

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    Here's a link which could be helpful :
    https://jobs.theguardian.com/jobs/homeworking/
     
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  16. JRT

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    Thankyou robin redbreast
     
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    School escort would be something I would consider,I have experience,it would be for short bursts of time and oddly enough live about 10 minutes away from council transport. Thankyou once again. I may lie low for a few months but good to start looking.
     
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    Well we have had three pubs we know of that were potential virus spreading hotspots only a couple of days after entertaining unwanted virus!
    On pure logic these will be by no means the only pubs where virus has been entertained since they have opened.

    We watched a funeral on youtube of a friend of my better half yesterday. No mourners were wearing masks and half the funeral directors. The seating was set up for social distancing but it was very hard for the mourners when moving to comply.
    I could not see how, apart from wearing black masks, the situation could be improved.
    This virus is taking away our humanity, its awful, but we must cope best we can, particularly if we are in the 1% who may die early.
    Derek
     
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    #238 lindisfel, Jul 7, 2020 at 11:11 AM
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  19. Max68

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    Apparently the WHO has said "it is reviewing evidence that Covid-19 can linger in the air, not just be spread by droplets when coughing or sneezing." Not being funny but it surely doesn't take a rocket scientist to work that one out. The transmission rates alone suggest that it's an airborne virus and the WHO seem to come out with this stuff weeks/months after we have all worked most of it out by ourselves!
     
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  20. Plumbdot68

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    CDC website
     
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