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Bacon and eggs anyone?

Here is an alternative perspective, just to show how maleable and selective this information is:

It is an accessible and entertaining talk by Georgia Edes on the WHO report, explaining the sources they used, and the amount of evidence drawn on.


From a personal point of view, i don’t actually eat much bacon. We buy maybe a pack a month between the two of us. And I dislike the preservative ‘tang’ that comes with most processed meats. Occasional chorizo crisps (home crisped). Rarely a slice a ham or tongue. My main objection is to the media circus and selective info that finds its way to the front pages.

The one ‘processed meat’ we seem to eat regularly is minced beef or lamb. I process it at home by adding a little sea salt and shaping it into meatballs or burger patties and cooking them myself.

Of course, I wouldn’t object if the media spread their favours a little wider to other processed foods.
I mean, no one really believes that multi-seed crackers baked in veg oil and sprinkled with powdered chemical flavours are good for us, do they?
Or fruit flavoured concentrates that have no fruit content at all?
Or ‘meat free, bacon flavour’ soya nuggets to sprinkle on our healthy salads?
 
Resurgam said:
As my bacon usually emerges from the freezer as I grumble at myself for forgetting to defrost it, I put it into the pan and boil it to defrost and that also takes out salt and soluble preservatives. Once I can separate the rashers I sieve them out and cook normally, but I expect that a lot of unwanted stuff goes down the drain.
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I'm really in trouble then, eat lots of bacon, ham and Polish sausage to help make up my daily fat quotas :-(
 
Brunneria said:
From my own perspective, the fact that 8000 odd people are killed on British roads in a year does not stop me being a passenger or driver on those roads.

Does it stop any of you?
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Interestingly, more of those people are killed by drivers that go through green lights, than red lights.
It won't start me gong through red though to join in.

I'll have a Macci D though, I'll eat there breakfast bacon as well.
So I guess I'm controlling the big D, and not worrying about the big C either.

Pay your money, take your choice eh?
 
Brunneria said:
Here is an alternative perspective, just to show how maleable and selective this information is:

It is an accessible and entertaining talk by Georgia Edes on the WHO report, explaining the sources they used, and the amount of evidence drawn on.


From a personal point of view, i don’t actually eat much bacon. We buy maybe a pack a month between the two of us. And I dislike the preservative ‘tang’ that comes with most processed meats. Occasional chorizo crisps (home crisped). Rarely a slice a ham or tongue. My main objection is to the media circus and selective info that finds its way to the front pages.

The one ‘processed meat’ we seem to eat regularly is minced beef or lamb. I process it at home by adding a little sea salt and shaping it into meatballs or burger patties and cooking them myself.

Of course, I wouldn’t object if the media spread their favours a little wider to other processed foods.
I mean, no one really believes that multi-seed crackers baked in veg oil and sprinkled with powdered chemical flavours are good for us, do they?
Or fruit flavoured concentrates that have no fruit content at all?
Or ‘meat free, bacon flavour’ soya nuggets to sprinkle on our healthy salads?
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Many thanks for that link.. I think that was what I have been trying to find.. not very helpful as I was looking for an article rather than a video.... duh!
 
Brunneria said:
Here is an alternative perspective, just to show how maleable and selective this information is:

It is an accessible and entertaining talk by Georgia Edes on the WHO report, explaining the sources they used, and the amount of evidence drawn on.


From a personal point of view, i don’t actually eat much bacon. We buy maybe a pack a month between the two of us. And I dislike the preservative ‘tang’ that comes with most processed meats. Occasional chorizo crisps (home crisped). Rarely a slice a ham or tongue. My main objection is to the media circus and selective info that finds its way to the front pages.

The one ‘processed meat’ we seem to eat regularly is minced beef or lamb. I process it at home by adding a little sea salt and shaping it into meatballs or burger patties and cooking them myself.

Of course, I wouldn’t object if the media spread their favours a little wider to other processed foods.
I mean, no one really believes that multi-seed crackers baked in veg oil and sprinkled with powdered chemical flavours are good for us, do they?
Or fruit flavoured concentrates that have no fruit content at all?
Or ‘meat free, bacon flavour’ soya nuggets to sprinkle on our healthy salads?
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Thanks - entertaining and informative.

Also a massive warning not to trust most big studies because they all have their own agenda.
If the WHO can't be trusted not to publish politically motivated studies, then who can you trust?
Drug companies cherry pick the results they publish.

One big point - the study tried to flag up the charring of meat as a cause of cancer, without in any way addressing everything from toast to char grilled vegetables, chicken and fish.

Did you like the way they injected the rats with a carcinogen just to "help things along a bit"? They still didn't get cancer.
 
bulkbiker said:
As I have said many times before until people are locked up and fed precise things there are no "good" or "reliable" nutritional studies or statistics. It is all open to interpretation and misinterpretation. The IARC study was a combination of data from about 800 other studies which I have no specific knowledge of but I can assure you that hardly any (and probably none) were carried out under precise enough conditions to give anything like enough evidence for their claims because those studies haven't been done in the last 40 years. The study was done by the IARC which is an independent branch of the WHO and so far as I know all the statements claimed to be from the WHO are in fact from the IARC. I recall reading an excellent rebuttal of the IARC study which I have been searching for but cannot unfortunately find.
This one from Reuters is the closest I can get but not the one I was looking for
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-who-iarc/

I'm glad you have however proved my point that the definition of "processed" meat is all encompassing and could be seen to contain a multitude of nasties as well as slightly tampered with fresh meat. In fact looking at that definition a steak with salt and pepper on has become "processed meat" in a similar way to a McDonalds chicken nugget or a tin of spam.
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Processed meat is 'meat that has been transformed through salting' - it's referring to meat that has been preserved by the addition of large quantities of salt, it doesn't refer to meat where salt is added at table.

I agree that nutritional studies are enormously difficult to get useful results from, for a number of reasons.
 
Who cares what we can argue that the meaning of the study is hogwash.

Eat carbs, die.
Eat bacon, die
Eat Big Mac's, die

Who needs to ponce about justifying why everyone should agree with your choice?

If you need to be right, you're not happy are you?

Me, I'm happy in a Macci
 
Dark Horse said:
Processed meat is 'meat that has been transformed through salting' - it's referring to meat that has been preserved by the addition of large quantities of salt, it doesn't refer to meat where salt is added at table.

I agree that nutritional studies are enormously difficult to get useful results from, for a number of reasons.
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"other processes to enhance flavour or improve preservation." that seems to be a catch all and from it I have no idea what they including in the "processed" category and to be honest if they did look at 800 studies and cherry picked a few I doubt they know what processed meant either as I bet all the studies had different criteria. Yes I'll freely admit I have a bias towards eating bacon and sausages because I like them and am happy to take the "risks".
 
Dark Horse said:
Processed meat is 'meat that has been transformed through salting' - it's referring to meat that has been preserved by the addition of large quantities of salt, it doesn't refer to meat where salt is added at table.

I agree that nutritional studies are enormously difficult to get useful results from, for a number of reasons.
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I somehow doubt that nitrite (?) free meats which have only been processed through salting are a large percentage of the processed meats they are talking about here
 
bulkbiker said:
"other processes to enhance flavour or improve preservation." that seems to be a catch all and from it I have no idea what they including in the "processed" category and to be honest if they did look at 800 studies and cherry picked a few I doubt they know what processed meant either as I bet all the studies had different criteria. Yes I'll freely admit I have a bias towards eating bacon and sausages because I like them and am happy to take the "risks".
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ooohhhh - you dare devil......

putting the Rash into Rashers!!! ;)
 
bulkbiker said:
"other processes to enhance flavour or improve preservation." that seems to be a catch all and from it I have no idea what they including in the "processed" category and to be honest if they did look at 800 studies and cherry picked a few I doubt they know what processed meant either as I bet all the studies had different criteria. Yes I'll freely admit I have a bias towards eating bacon and sausages because I like them and am happy to take the "risks".
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Fairly easy.
Unprocessed - dead animal, pull a bit off - eat it
Processed - dead animal, mash it into a tube, slice it up, pack it full of un animal chemicals, change it's shape, crack on bacon is as good as a turkey twizzler, get the punters that buy it to sell it on.

But, make your choice.

You like the taste of carbs, don't justify it, eat it.
You like the taste of bacon, don't justify it, eat it

Let's not run round saying cancer/diabetes, I don t want either to be honest.

But, we're all free to choose aren't we.
 
Resurgam said:
As my bacon usually emerges from the freezer as I grumble at myself for forgetting to defrost it,
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I have just remembered to get a 1 kilo pack out of the freezer for breakfast. I will cut a chunk off and then defrost it in the microwave.

The bacon we buy is called Cooking Bacon which is a mix of sliced and pieces of bacon, it's got all of that goodness the OP is on about.

At $7.50 a kilo it's good with omelettes, and bacon sarnies done in a low carb wrap.
 
A quote from Marie Antoinette.

What bacon!

Let them eat Gammon!


Anyway, it's typical bull (pig) propaganda from the usual sources of misinformation.
(Read 'Animal Farm')!
 
Tipetoo said:
I have just remembered to get a 1 kilo pack out of the freezer for breakfast. I will cut a chunk off and then defrost it in the microwave.

The bacon we buy is called Cooking Bacon which is a mix of sliced and pieces of bacon, it's got all of that goodness the OP is on about.

At $7.50 a kilo it's good with omelettes, and bacon sarnies done in a low carb wrap.
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Good with a cigarette?
Asking for a friend
 
jcbman said:
Good with a cigarette?
Asking for a friend
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I have not indulged in nicotine for twenty five years or more so would not know what you are infering.

Tell your friend to get a life and give nicotine away.
 
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