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Been doing my bit

Hi dragongirl, :)

Well done, the more noise we make the more people will hear! :D 8)
 
Well written, well done. Let's hope it it gets attention and the message is filed away in people's mind until they need to pull it out some day.
 
No holding back there dg! :D

Nigel
 
Well done - good bit of fire breathing :wink: Can't comment on line :oops:

Note the finger prick demo
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just like the Roche rep demo'ed at the X-PERT course :(
 
IanD said:
Note the finger prick demo
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just like the Roche rep demo'ed at the X-PERT course :(

Ooh that would sting, you would think a more accurate picture could be produced! :lol:

Well done DG, but I see from the comments that there are still a few luddites out there
 
I noticed the pic too. On that site we usually provide our own pix for our articles, but I didn't have one of a pile of carbs or of a DN with a "recommended healthy diet sheet" in her hand :lol: , so they presumably picked this from somewhere.
DG
 
Now I have a very excellent phone camera and could take a pic of our wheelie bin to illustrate the carbohydrates, because that is where all our carbs ended up as, in all good conscience we could not give them away to people that we love even like. Think it might not be recogniseable as a UK dustbin though.
On our news tonight the western suburbs of Sydney are considering a ban on all fatty fried food from local eateries to extend the life expectancy of the local residents. This could be a really good survey of what causes premature deaths and what does not!
Amazing noises from out side.. It's night time .........fruit bats eating the fruit from date palm in our back garden and dropping seeds (bullet sized) on tin roof of studio flat! They are so pretty. Could someone tell them about the diabetes link!
Love your work Dragongirl!
 
You seem to be advocating that no one should eat carbs clearviews, but its worth remembering that most members here do eat carbohydrates.

So theres no need to throw them away, theres nothing wrong with carbohydrates eaten in moderation, thats why we test isnt it?
 
Not right Sid Bonkers.
I am only suggesting that I would not like my loved ones to eat carbs that I have tested and found that I can't eat, even in moderation. My loved ones might have my genes and might react in the same detrimental way that I do. My choice is that I don't want a level higher than 5.2 at any time of the day or night. This is not achieveable for me all the time as I am not medicated by choice but I can still get an HbA1c of 5.2.
This is my target, only mine. If starchy carbs in moderation caused my BGL to stop there I would be in to them, in moderation. I did bin my pasta, rice, gluten free cake mixes etc as I tried and tried and tested and tested then tested once more and they pushed me too high.
I do eat carbs. Green vegetables contain them and so does cheese, tomatoes and cream etc and I do eat them but try to stick to a rough limit ofa total of 6,12,12 (breakfast, lunch and dinner). I am happy with this and I know that it is not the way for the greater majority and I do respect that.
Alison
 
Not right Sid Bonkers.
I am only suggesting that I would not like my loved ones to eat carbs that I have tested and found that I can't eat, even in moderation. My loved ones might have my genes and might react in the same detrimental way that I do. My choice is that I don't want a level higher than 5.2 at any time of the day or night. This is not achieveable for me all the time as I am not medicated by choice but I can still get an HbA1c of 5.2.
This is my target, only mine. If starchy carbs in moderation caused my BGL to stop there I would be in to them, in moderation. I did bin my pasta, rice, gluten free cake mixes etc as I tried and tried and tested and tested then tested once more and they pushed me too high.
I do eat carbs. Green vegetables contain them and so does cheese, tomatoes and cream etc and I do eat them but try to stick to a rough limit ofa total of 6,12,12 (breakfast, lunch and dinner). I am happy with this and I know that it is not the way for the greater majority and I do respect that.
Alison
 
Its OK, I heard you the first time
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Actually, re the "bit" I wrote for PRG site, I'm feeling very "got at" with the replies/comments I'm getting. They're all very patronising, as if I hadn't spent months reading, discussing and assessing the situation and finding out what works for me. I almost wish I hadn't bothered - the "almost" being because if I hadn't, I'd still be thinking I should! I don't think I'll answer anyone else on there, as I don't want a fight on my hands. It isn't dialogue, just people telling me I need to gen up on my need for carbs and find out from professionals how to deal with my DB. Oh heck... feeling fragile about it all now. Makes me realise how mentally strong Hana is when she goes places and tells people what for and survives! What I need is for some of you other ladies to register and make a comment, I think. Sort of equalise it!
DG
 
I have read through what you have written and the comments.
IMHO the mistake that you made was to say that your body does not need carbs. This is a personal opinion and choice of yours and not something that all type 2's follow. There are many who can eat carbs in a portion controlled way with no adverse effects.
Perhaps you should have emphasised that it works for you but that everyone is different?
 
Thanks for going and reading, but I think that's the whole point - people (possibly you included) "heard" me say "no carbs" when actually I wrote about "excessive carbs" "plenty of carbs" and "your body" (ie anyone's) doesn't "need" carbs (which I believe is true and is not therefore a personal opinion and is not the same as saying everyone shouldn't have any). I don't mind their different opinions so much as the misreading, which led to patronising advice. Anyway, I can't undo what I did and I can't be responsible for how people interpret it!
DG
 
dragongirl said:
Actually, re the "bit" I wrote for PRG site, I'm feeling very "got at" with the replies/comments I'm getting. They're all very patronising, as if I hadn't spent months reading, discussing and assessing the situation and finding out what works for me. I almost wish I hadn't bothered - the "almost" being because if I hadn't, I'd still be thinking I should! I don't think I'll answer anyone else on there, as I don't want a fight on my hands. It isn't dialogue, just people telling me I need to gen up on my need for carbs and find out from professionals how to deal with my DB. Oh heck... feeling fragile about it all now. Makes me realise how mentally strong Hana is when she goes places and tells people what for and survives! What I need is for some of you other ladies to register and make a comment, I think. Sort of equalise it!
DG

Hi dg,

I think where you went wrong here is that you tried to demonize carbs altogether, based on your own experience and judgement over the last few months.

As always, it is best to remember that what works for one, may not neccesarily work for another, as with everything in life, moderation is the key. Therefore, it is pleasing that you have found a way to manage your diabetes with little or no carbs, but you have to remember that other people manage to achieve successful results by adapting their own diet and approach also. A low-carb diet is only one of many ways to manage and control diabetes, but if others choose to include carbs in doing so, that is their choice, it is wrong for others to preach or dictate on what foodstuff to eat and drink. (by the way, you are a million miles away from this). There is no reason why people with diabetes should exclude nutrient dense carbs from their diet, as long as it doesn't impact on blood glucose. Only by experiementing and testing can one establish which diet is suitable to their needs.

I think personally, why diets such as Atkins and others go wrong, is that they are too restrictive in their approach to food. Such nonsense as excluding root vegtables from your diet because they contain carbs is utterly crazy, likewise with the advice about replacing carbs with fat, is it any wonder that people who follow these diets often fail miserably.

Dragongirl, with the greatest of respect, I wouldn't try to follow other people's stance on subject matters, often you will find that they are preaching to a very small captive audience, and many like myself see their approach as offensive and dictatorial. Just be pleased with what you have achieved, and remember that we are all individuals with opinions of our own.

Best wishes

Nigel
 
You are Type 1 on insulin - it's a different topic to Type 2 diet only, and again you haven't noticed I only said that the advice to eat loads of carbs (to Type 2s diet only) was madness (I'm not wholly amazed that people read through their own filters and therefore misread). I would be the first to say everyone should do their thing. Whatever works. Maybe I should have mentioned (on PRG) bg testing as a means of deciding on carb amounts (still diet only, and that would have been a great topic, and I see Seagull now has, which is great) - but we only have 350 words so I kept to topic, and boy has it come back to haunt. I shalln't post again in this thread as I refuse to be drawn into an argument!

Thanks everyone who read.
 
Hi dg,

Well your quite right, type of diabetes and means of controlling our condition are vitally important. I know what you are saying, that I can use insulin to reduce and control bg, but there are also many type 2's who don't exclude carbs and manage their condition successfully.

As you already know dragongirl, I reduce my carb intake and include other methods in controlling my condition, so you could say I am a advocate of carb reduction, but I also know that what I do to achieve this, may not be suited to other people in a similar situation. There are some, who think that continually shouting about someting in a evangelical way is going to change public opinion, when in fact it has the reverse. It is better that we don't become obsessed and think that we have all the answers, when in fact we don't!

Nigel
 
A quick reply,
You said, and I quote,
Why not say, "Look your body does not need carbs so give it a break and eat something else".
You are getting a cross section of opinions and so if you rally the low carbers to get involved then that is also an unfair response because you will know the outcome from them.

I can understand why you wish you hadn't bothered as I too feel sometimes that I am hitting my head against a brick wall when I post here as to how I control my diabetes with portion control and the G.I. method. :wink:
 
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