hankjam
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Some more extreme posts that I read do seem to demonise carbs and it’s right that that thinking should be questioned in a quest to arrive at the right balance.
@bulkbiker I agree with you in relation to adults but do children have different nutritional needs? It would be very difficult to stop completely the eating of pizza, pasta, bread in particular and rice of course in many cultures. I think this might have the result of them going overboard on these foods when they can decide for themselves. As far as children are concerned I believe everything in moderation is probably sensible.
I pretty much agree with @Listlad. I fully ascribe to the fact that the majority of 'carbs' are harmful to those that cannot tolerate them, ie sweets/crisps/bread/pasta/rice/pastry and that sort of thing and maybe many fruits but I cannot accept that the carbs that come from vegetables are 'the devil'. Yes, a carb is a carb and each individual can decide for themselves, but it seems that some people demonise carbs of ALL types even for those without an intolerance. Breastmilk is jam packed with carbs but babies thrive on it and without this milk, they would die wouldn't they? Is a carrot poisonous?, I don't think so.
I reckon the original question is asking are all carbs harmful for people without an intolerance?
Yes. You make some excellent points there.Ahh yes going overboard as adults... my older son complains that his sugar addiction is all my fault because I DIDN’T have candy lying around in bowls as his friends’s moms did. For him, a person who’s got a propensity towards addiction, there is truth to his accusation! I’d rather he eat sugar than the things that one ODs accidentally on, or goes to prison forever (where you’re going to get T2 anyway!) if caught selling, which were in his youthful past...
I thought about the correct place to put this question. When posting I wasn’t sure which would be best.Also this thread is in Fitness, Exercise and Sport and not in a type 2 section.
My elderly dad lived until he was 94 and yes he ate carbs, he didn't have a lot of medical conditions and took a few tablets daily, plus inhalers, neither my mum, who died of heart failure/pneumonia, nor my dad, thankfully didn't have diabetes.
That is because this is a community mostly of people who have been diagnosed with diabetes.
I hadn’t seen that. I will take a look.About 9 months ago, I could be wrong, there was a thread that used the terms Carbohydrate and Poison. It got pretty (very) heated and was just down to usage, though neither side would accept that.
One man's poison is another man's meat.... (sic).
I thought about the correct place to put this question. When posting I wasn’t sure which would be best.
My wife’s grandparents lived till their late nineties. They ate rice in typical quantities.
I think "we" can cope with these whole foods, and treats in those amounts. The fats were most likely traditional and probably less than 5 or 6 total meals. Nowadays 80% of the food in supermarkets has added sugar.My parents ate meat, fish, eggs, cereals, roast on a Sunday, so different types of food and being Scottish, we had tatties and mince, pearl barley soup, lentils, my dad ate porridge, with salt and we had salmon sandwiches on a Sunday with cake too, or ice cream and fruit..
I think "we" can cope with these whole foods, and treats in those amounts. The fats were most likely traditional and probably less than 5 or 6 total meals. Nowadays 80% of the food in supermarkets has added sugar.
Tatties and Neeps. Bridies. Lorne sausage....My parents ate meat, fish, eggs, cereals, roast on a Sunday, so different types of food and being Scottish, we had tatties and mince, pearl barley soup, lentils, my dad ate porridge, with salt and we had salmon sandwiches on a Sunday with cake too, or ice cream and fruit..
We seem to love fat and sweet things.There are a couple of simple arbitrators - the blood glucose monitor and the insulin response. Every test I have seen with trigger foods such as bananas show a spike above the guidelines > 9.0 (always should be tested at 30 mins to start with). I have sort out persons who test and even those under 30 years old get extreme results when carbs are put to the test (starchy carbs). Under 2 weeks ago a young lady on one of the food programs on the box, was over a 9 consuming a packet of crisps. Childhood diabetes rates were virtually non-existent less that 60 years ago. I had a chat with a University today to see if they would front some tests on the responses of different foods with regards to blood glucose (maybe more on this another time).
I have seen Andreas Eenfeldt (diet doctor) response to 2 regular meals, Sarah Halberg's response to red melon - neither of these are diabetics, lots of tests of potatoes, spaghetti over 30 minutes plus for others- all result in numbers the guidelines say are too high. I watched a 28 year old Vegan on YouTube eat some Pizza, again blood glucose over 9.0 and higher fbg the next day.
I think 60 - 80 years ago persons in the UK could comfortably eat Paleo level of carbs (meat and 2 veg) with potato carbs quite easily in at least late 60's. In my view modern carbs in bread, pasta, cereals, cakes and the like are a disgrace, I think these "break" our systems, making healthier carbs a poisonous dosage. The numbers in the States say only circa 30% of the population can cope with the carb intake, I would suggest this is similar anywhere the SAD diet is.
If Kraft was right with his interpretation insulin response categorisations, the numbers with blood glucose dysregulation are overwhelming, and even without his definition our eyes and stats show clearly that carbs in a modern context basically lays down fat and disease; then we see when these types of carbs are removed health and bio markers return to normal-ish - this is not coincidence.
The trouble is carbs are delicious, especially when (purposefully) mixed with fat, the perfect "fat bomb". The franken-carbs have turned us into the only animal which cannot naturally regulate our diet (unless we go non-mainstream).
That is probably quite close to my own diet when younger.My parents ate meat, fish, eggs, cereals, roast on a Sunday, so different types of food and being Scottish, we had tatties and mince, pearl barley soup, lentils, my dad ate porridge, with salt and we had salmon sandwiches on a Sunday with cake too, or ice cream and fruit..
Tatties and Neeps. Bridies. Lorne sausage....