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I always like your good sense of balance.
I always like your good sense of balance.Great post @Guzzler
I liken it to we CAN eat carbs.
And use them all up.
But THEN as we age
( AND bearing in mind the AMOUNT of carbs we eat during the day
AND the fact how many of the processed food are stuffed with extra sugars etc .)
check out any ready meals for carbs and ingredients that would be more at home in a laboratory
We start to lose some of that ability to process them as efficiently.
And the carbs unused are left sloshing around inside of us, and then with nowhere to go, turn to viciseral fat.
THAT loss of efficiency increases, until we struggle and are awash with glucose, and then get diagnosed T2D.
So yeah, we can eat carbs, everyone can,
I just don't believe we should do it in the amounts we currently do
For far too many, it has or will cause major issues
How many of us, could have avoided type two diagnosis, if our food choices over the years had offered less carbs, less messed about stuffed with sneaky sugars,
And all of the above then labelled HEALTHY
I for one would rather I did NOT have T2D.
That’s my observation too.Jim, I agree that the general population would be better off eating fewer carbs. When you think of how many carbs the average person eats, it must surely be in the region of 500 plus easily, especially when you factor in things like crisps/cakes/sausage rolls and so on,on top of the rest. I think the issue is that there is a massive difference between eating 500 carbs and eating 100 carbs a day. It's just that some people on this forum (and there is nothing wrong with this of course) choose to eat no carbs or as good as and sometimes view those who eat a 100 carbs in the same category as those who eat 500. It's not that people 'tell' others what they should be doing, it's more the inference and the faint disappointment displayed when someone mentions porridge.
I was on the phone to Christiano Ronaldo this morning. I said to him “ Christiano, I have watched you for so many years now, from the days when you were introduced at Man U, those explosive runs, those explosive headed goals, unbelievable free kicks and amazing power, pace and stamina. To the glory years in Europe and Real Madrid, winning Champions Leagues medals and almost single handedly taking Portugal to glory in the European Championship a few years back. And at 35 years old you dragged Juventus into the last 8 of the Champions League the other night when they had struggled for so many years before.” He said “ Yes Listlad” I am a born winner. I know that.” I then said, “but Christiano, you could have done better. You know the old saying, you can’t run off a bad diet. You could have achieved so much more if only you had taken out the carbs in your diet”. He then seemed to mumble something in Portuguese which sounded like the equivalent of foxtrot oscar. And then the phone went dead. I think he was recommending me Gordon Ramsey’s restaurant in Chelsea, London.This brings to mind low carb notables like Tim Noakes and Sami Inkinen... athletes who carb loaded and found themselves facing T2D...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesinternational/2017/11/01/enjoy-the-pain/#783d185056f3
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Knowing what I do now about diabetes, I would indeed have restricted, if that is the right word my childrens carbohydrate consumption. Pizza without chips for example, curry with rice OR naan. Fewer pies with pastry and the go to convenient, ever popular oven chips, sweetcorn and peas combination might be banned altogether.Hi @PenguinMum I am guessing you are a mum? Would you attempt to restrict carbohydrate food levels given to your kids? (If they were not diabetic that is?)
Knowing what I do now about diabetes, I would indeed have restricted, if that is the right word my childrens carbohydrate consumption. Pizza without chips for example, curry with rice OR naan. Fewer pies with pastry and the go to convenient, ever popular oven chips, sweetcorn and peas combination might be banned altogether.
How does this sound to other people?
I was on the phone to Christiano Ronaldo this morning. I said to him “ Christiano, I have watched you for so many years now, from the days when you were introduced at Man U, those explosive runs, those explosive headed goals, unbelievable free kicks and amazing power, pace and stamina. To the glory years in Europe and Real Madrid, winning Champions Leagues medals and almost single handedly taking Portugal to glory in the European Championship a few years back. And at 35 years old you dragged Juventus into the last 8 of the Champions League the other night when they had struggled for so many years before.” He said “ Yes Listlad” I am a born winner. I know that.” I then said, “but Christiano, you could have done better. You know the old saying, you can’t run off a bad diet. You could have achieved so much more if only you had taken out the carbs in your diet”. He then seemed to mumble something in Portuguese which sounded like the equivalent of foxtrot oscar. And then the phone went dead.
I was going to try and post the mother in laws food spread for New Years Eve 2018/19 but it is too large a file. It is mainly fish, meat and rice. With some fruit and cake. The ratios are stacked in heavily in favour of the fish and meat. I will try and upload it later.
Just watched this. Whilst it was an amusing video, his (Peter) accent is an us and them one, rather than one of coexistence. I also noticed the focus was on endurance athletes, but Mo Farah a well known endurance serial gold medalist at world level obviously, eats a diet containing both fat and carbs including Kellogs Frosties. Far be it for me to knock his mode of achievement.Have a look at what an "expert" says.. and its not so clear cut..
Your links are I'm afraid just parroting the usual nutrition advice which serves few of us well... here especially but I believe in the general population too.
Just watched this. Whilst it was an amusing video, his (Peter) accent is an us and them one, rather than one of coexistence. I also noticed the focus was on endurance athletes, but Mo Farah a well known endurance serial gold medalist at world level obviously, eats a diet containing both fat and carbs including Kellogs Frosties. Far be it for me to knock his mode of achievement.
How about Anthony Joshua, world heavyweight champion and Olympic gold medalist. He and his nutritionist know a thing or two and don’t skimp on the carbs:
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/boxing/the...lled-anthony-joshua-through-fight-camp-121834
I would try telling him to ditch the carbs.
You misunderstand me yet again.Ok so young, very fit people can eat a lot of rubbish and appear fine. Yes we can agree.
However when they age and their metabolisms start to fail (a la Steve Redgrave) then it can come back and bite them somewhere painful.
You seem to be constantly forgetting that in a community of T2 diabetics pushing the benefits of a high carb diet may not be the most tactful thing you could do.
At least you and I can agree on this....., as a population, carbohydrate is being consumed in excess and we are paying the collective price with nations awash with sick people who think it’s natural for their body to begin falling apart at middle age.
At least you and I can agree on this.
It does help not to polarise every thread though.
I agree. I am not challenging Low Carb eating. I am challenging the idea that it is the only show in town.Respectfully though, if anything, this thread is causing polarising opinions to clash. All anyone really needs to do is respect that we all have different goals and expectations. There’s no need for anyone to constantly defend their corner or protest against the other, and I’ve personally never seen anyone prescribe a dietary strategy to anyone else beyond offering advice to those seeking help. I do concede though that of course it’s often a matter of perspective, and good intentions are often lost in the written word.
I for one am growing a little tired of seeing people’s views on low-carb eating being challenged, ironically under the umbrella of acceptance of others’ choices. I only share my own experiences and try to help where I may be able to. Beyond that, frankly, it’s of little concern whether or not anyone cares or agrees. If someone wants to eat Frosties for breakfast that’s their lookout, but it doesn’t mean I have to condone it
I agree. I am not challenging Low Carb eating. I am challenging the idea that it is the only show in town.
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