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Dempsey123

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Good morning

I recently went to my GP with a sports injury. She decided however, to do a general check up and take blood tests. Upon receipt of the results, she noted to me that I am diabetes type 2. My count was 52. What confuses me are two factors: I did not fast before the blood tests were done and 2. She said if I change my lifestyle I can improve it and that she will test me again in three months to see if I need to go on medication.

My questions to you therefore are as follows: Should I not have had the tests done after fasting? I had a substantial breakfast the morning I went to her and this included a Milo beverage. Could it possibly be that my score was elevated by this? Or am I now officially a diabetic? Should I have fasted before my tests?

Kind regards
 
It look as though the test was your Hba1c, and no, it is not necessary to fast for it as it is a telltale of how your blood glucose levels average out over the last three months.
It depends on how your practice defines diabetic - I had a Hba1c of 91 and was told that I was a bad diabetic after one test - some practices don't diagnose until you have had two tests.
 
Hi Dempsey and welcome. Your number of 52 is an HbA1c reading, it’s clever test that measures excess glucose stuck to your red blood cells. As your red blood cells live for 8-12 weeks it’s an average of 2-3 months, so your breakfast won’t have affected the result. I’m afraid your result of 52 puts you right in the diabetic range. Here’s some info about HbA1c including the ranges:
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/hba1c-test.html
However your Dr is right you should be able to get your levels back down to non diabetic numbers by changing your diet. Pay particular attention to carbohydrates. I’ll tag in @daisy1 for her welcome info post which includes a bit about carbohydrates.
Have a read around the forum and ask any questions that occur to you.

Edited a typo and to add the missing link!
 
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Good morning

I recently went to my GP with a sports injury. She decided however, to do a general check up and take blood tests. Upon receipt of the results, she noted to me that I am diabetes type 2. My count was 52. What confuses me are two factors: I did not fast before the blood tests were done and 2. She said if I change my lifestyle I can improve it and that she will test me again in three months to see if I need to go on medication.

My questions to you therefore are as follows: Should I not have had the tests done after fasting? I had a substantial breakfast the morning I went to her and this included a Milo beverage. Could it possibly be that my score was elevated by this? Or am I now officially a diabetic? Should I have fasted before my tests?

Kind regards

Hi and welcome. The blood test you had was most likely an HbA1c which shows an average of your blood sugar levels over the last 8-12 weeks. Fasting before this test isn't necessary. 48mmol/m and over in the UK is considered to be indicative of diabetes and unless you have a multitude of other symptoms which you don't seem to its most likely to be Type 2.
52mmol/m isn't a very high level (mine was 87mmol/m on diagnosis and others here report numbers in excess of 100 mmol/m) so your GP was right in saying that it can be controlled/put into remission however you want to term it with some changes to diet mainly.
I'll tag @daisy1 for the superlative intro into how many of us keep our errant blood sugars in check.
The main theme will be cutting back on carbohydrate consumption including most sugary and starchy foods and most fruit.
Hope you find the forum a friendly place and please feel free to read around and ask any questions that you have. Someone will usually be along to answer pretty quickly (we're like that here!).
 
Changing lifestyle is a bit vague really - many people have successfully got type two diabetes under control by reducing their consumption of carbohydrates, that is starches and sugars - it seems to work well, though I was just wondering where in the world you are as it can be more difficult in some places than others.
 
@Dempsey123

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
I really hate that 'change your lifestyle' comment from the Drs without any follow up of what that actually means. It leaves people thinking that the Dr thinks they are a boozing, smoking, overweight, drug taking, slovenly layabout.
 
Thank goodness your GP did a full check up - you have caught your diabetes early, so if you apply yourself, read this forum, read up all about type 2 diabetes and how to manage it, and ask a load of questions on this forum, you have every chance of reducing your numbers to non-diabetic levels and avoid medication. That doesn't mean to say you are cured - it just means you are a well controlled diabetic possibly in remission. Your breakfast that morning will have made no difference whatsoever to the result.
 
Good morning

I recently went to my GP with a sports injury. She decided however, to do a general check up and take blood tests. Upon receipt of the results, she noted to me that I am diabetes type 2. My count was 52. What confuses me are two factors: I did not fast before the blood tests were done and 2. She said if I change my lifestyle I can improve it and that she will test me again in three months to see if I need to go on medication.

My questions to you therefore are as follows: Should I not have had the tests done after fasting? I had a substantial breakfast the morning I went to her and this included a Milo beverage. Could it possibly be that my score was elevated by this? Or am I now officially a diabetic? Should I have fasted before my tests?

Kind regards
Everyone's already covered your questions, so I thought I'd just say hello. Hello! My HbA1c was quite a bit higher than yours and I got my T2 under control through diet, so yeah... It can be done. It'll always be there, but it doesn't have to progress and/or lead to complications. Lifestyle change is so nice 'n'vague... We can help there if you want. (Or just hit the books/internet. Dr. jason Fung is excellent, as is dietdoctor.com ) Ask questions if and when you have them, we'll be here.
 
Good morning

I recently went to my GP with a sports injury. She decided however, to do a general check up and take blood tests. Upon receipt of the results, she noted to me that I am diabetes type 2. My count was 52. What confuses me are two factors: I did not fast before the blood tests were done and 2. She said if I change my lifestyle I can improve it and that she will test me again in three months to see if I need to go on medication.

My questions to you therefore are as follows: Should I not have had the tests done after fasting? I had a substantial breakfast the morning I went to her and this included a Milo beverage. Could it possibly be that my score was elevated by this? Or am I now officially a diabetic? Should I have fasted before my tests?

Kind regards
Everyone's already covered your questions, so I thought I'd just say hello. Hello! My HbA1c was quite a bit higher than yours and I got my T2 under control through diet, so yeah... It can be done. It'll always be there, but it doesn't have to progress and/or lead to complications. Lifestyle change is so nice 'n'vague... We can help there if you want. (Or just hit the books/internet. Dr. jason Fung is excellent, as is dietdoctor.com ) Ask questions if and when you have them, we'll be here.
 
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