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COVID 2019 Comorbidity with Diabetes

Jim Lahey said:
I'm not seeing any of this alleged abuse, to be honest. All I see, as ever, is people sharing their views. Disagreeing with others isn't a form of abuse. Although granted, I don't think I even know what's going on in here anymore :D
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No snowflake Jim.
i give as good as i get.

least said soonest mended
sure people are reconsidering their tone for next time.
so all's good here.:D

Hate to think there is a rule for them and a rule for us,.
on a forum such as this,

when i respond in kind if i have to,
i trust the mods will protect my rights as well.

take care fella.:)

still leading the way on the raw liver..:***:
doing you good as i read last i looked
i bet that's not all been stockpiled by others..:hilarious:

Stay safe.
 
jjraak said:
No snowflake Jim.
i give as good as i get. least said soonest mended
sure people are reconsidering their tone for next time.
so all's good here.:D

Hate to think there is a rule for them and a rule for us,.
on a forum such as this,

when i respond in kind if i have to,
i trust the mods will protect my rights as well.
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@jjraak if there is a post or posts that needs moderation please report it/them.
 
jjraak said:
No snowflake Jim.
i give as good as i get.

least said soonest mended
sure people are reconsidering their tone for next time.
so all's good here.:D

Hate to think there is a rule for them and a rule for us,.
on a forum such as this,

when i respond in kind if i have to,
i trust the mods will protect my rights as well.

take care fella.:)

still leading the way on the raw liver..:***:
doing you good as i read last i looked
i bet that's not all been stockpiled by others..:hilarious:

Stay safe.
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and I will add the following to what @Goonergal has said:

Retaliating ‘in kind’ is not acceptable on this forum.

All posts are required to comply with the forum rules.

If you see a post that you feel breaks the forum rules, then Report it, for the moderation team to deal with. Don’t lash out in some kind of revenge post. That is how people cause flame wars and end up with Warnings and Bans.

Our forum rules are carefully designed to allow polite, healthy debate. Members who are unwilling to interact on that level quickly find their posts subject to moderation.
 
HarryBeau said:
There was no apology any attempt at an apology that begins with 'IF' cannot be an expression of sincerity as for voicing my opinion I have followed the rules & procedures as detailed by DCUK I haven't seen or heard anything here so far that breaches them.. I agree with @lindisfel we have the expertise but did not call on it until too late. There has to be room for robust discussion in any forum, we need to be civil & courteous & not abuse our positions but we need to be able to express our opinions freely.
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nope, that was NO apology...more like a reticent child being forced to apologise for something they feel they didn't do..
the one thing that could humanise her responses, she and they seem incapable of.
do they not understand the critical nature of the very crisis they have allowed to evolve in slowly becoming a full blown catastrophe.

we really all are just collateral damage to them

NOW that IS repugnant
 
urbanracer said:
Hmmmm,

"For example, while on 27 March the government announced that 926 Covid-19 deaths had so far taken place in English hospitals, NHS England now reports that the true figure was 1,649."

source:-
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-what-can-we-trust-and-what-should-we-ignore

I wonder what the 'true' figure is now?
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interesting post

good point made of not being able to predict the future perfectly,
but all make a good fist of going on holiday right.
and prep before hand.

the outcome that some would have died anyway (sad) but true
also has to have the question ..would some have died unnecessarily.
and does that tie in to the slowness of the govt response mmhh

i can;t think that could possibly be a NO,
so it's a question of the magnitude, imho

but good post cheers.:)
 
The figure I would be interested to see is the total number of deaths in a day irrespective of the recorded cause. It could then be compared to the average number of deaths which occur anyway. It would make a lot of difference to the figures whether the cause of death was recorded as say heart attack or pneumonia rather than coronavirus.
 
Mr_Pot said:
The figure I would be interested to see is the total number of deaths in a day irrespective of the recorded cause. It could then be compared to the average number of deaths which occur anyway. It would make a lot of difference to the figures whether the cause of death was recorded as say heart attack or pneumonia rather than coronavirus.
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could be slightly skewed.

one of the things i thought of early (clairvoyant me :D)

was that the risk of others diseases would be less for a few reasons.

Less interactions so less spread of colds flu.
More handwashing so less germs to be spread.
the simple accidents etc, with such stressed resources would not cope so easily as it did pre covid
has made people reasses their own risk assessments..are bikers still being so reckless, are drivers taking more
care..are we rock climbing sky diving etc as much as we did ?
are more using home remedies earlier so the run to the hospital and the risk of catching some else has diminished
across the world violent crime is down.
fewer traffic, fewer RTA's

so we may well be able to say this year was no worse,
but then every year could have saved millions of lives if we acted in the same way,
so a nice idea, but not one that holds much water. imho
 
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jjraak said:
could be slightly skewed.

one of the things i thought of early (clairvoyant me :D)

was that the risk of others diseases would be less for a few reasons.

Less interactions so less spread of colds flu.
More handwashing so less germs to be spread.
the simple accidents etc, with such stressed resources would not cope so easily as it t it did pre covid.
across the world violent crime is down.
fewer traffic, fewer RTA's

so we may well be able to say this year was no worse,
but then every year could have saved millions of lives if we acted in the same way,
so a nice idea, but not one that holds much water. imho
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You have a point but deaths attributed to rta’s and crime etc are fairly easy to separate from illness. So the reductions in those should be identifiable.

It’s those that are down to covid v lung disease/heart attack/sepsis/organ failures (and maybe also v lack of treatment for unconnected conditions) that will be harder to nail down and attribute to the appropriate cause. Did people die of or with covid or something in between, did it condense the timeframe a lot but not the overall amounts so much? We won’t know exactly ever but after the big wave we should have a better idea than we do now.
 
HSSS said:
You have a point but deaths attributed to rta’s and crime etc are fairly easy to separate from illness. So the reductions in those should be identifiable.

It’s those that are down to covid v lung disease/heart attack/sepsis/organ failures (and maybe also v lack of treatment for unconnected conditions) that will be harder to nail down and attribute to the appropriate cause. Did people die of or with covid or something in between, did it condense the timeframe a lot but not the overall amounts so much? We won’t know exactly ever but after the big wave we should have a better idea than we do now.
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sort of agree,

just find myself at the point of
does it matter, really ?

if we get ill with covid, and then get sepsis and die in hospital
is the cause sepsis OR the thing that brought us in to hospital ?

and if covid is what we catch in hospital,
does matter if it was a broken legs that led to us getting it?

seems most admission now are majority covid
as other dept's speaking of a much lower workload, understandably.

i do hear the point, but just get concerned that the above is the ultimate outcome for many death
and if we pick out the 'With or OF"
that might just make this "just the flu,:rolleyes:" and alter our preparedness for the next disease x, that comes our way.?
 
Mr_Pot said:
The figure I would be interested to see is the total number of deaths in a day irrespective of the recorded cause
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ONS supplies some useful data online in an excel spreadsheet (it's by week not day). The most recent data, for week ended 27/3, is 11,141 deaths in that week (539 covid mentioned on the death certificate, differences in figures from other sources is due to how/when data is recorded see this other interesting link https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/reconciling-covid-19-death-data-in-the-uk/), the average for the previous 5 years in the corresponding week was 10,130. Week on week fluctuations are quite variable however, for example in w/e 15/3/19 the total deaths were nearly 500 lower than the previous 5 year average.
Rough answer to your question is in the same week in the previous 5 years we have seen approx 1447 deaths per day, this year 1592 per day.
 
Mr_Pot said:
The figure I would be interested to see is the total number of deaths in a day irrespective of the recorded cause. It could then be compared to the average number of deaths which occur anyway. It would make a lot of difference to the figures whether the cause of death was recorded as say heart attack or pneumonia rather than coronavirus.
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I suspect the headlines would be slightly less dramatic. And generate less advertising revenue.
 
copilost said:
ONS supplies some useful data online in an excel spreadsheet (it's by week not day). The most recent data, for week ended 27/3, is 11,141 deaths in that week (539 covid mentioned on the death certificate, differences in figures from other sources is due to how/when data is recorded see this other interesting link https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/reconciling-covid-19-death-data-in-the-uk/), the average for the previous 5 years in the corresponding week was 10,130. Week on week fluctuations are quite variable however, for example in w/e 15/3/19 the total deaths were nearly 500 lower than the previous 5 year average.
Rough answer to your question is in the same week in the previous 5 years we have seen approx 1447 deaths per day, this year 1592 per day.
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Very interesting, thanks. One thing I had in mind was comparison of the number of deaths in various countries. Since they no doubt have different ways of recording cause of death comparison is difficult. The increase from average in the total number of deaths from illness of all types, ought to be a better indicator of the effectiveness of the various strategies.
 
Mr_Pot said:
Very interesting, thanks. One thing I had in mind was comparison of the number of deaths in various countries. Since they no doubt have different ways of recording cause of death comparison is difficult. The increase from average in the total number of deaths from illness of all types, ought to be a better indicator of the effectiveness of the various strategies.
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If you want to look at Europe then
https://www.euromomo.eu
Has some interesting graphical figures although I haven't so far discovered where they keep the data.
 
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jjraak said:
sort of agree,

just find myself at the point of
does it matter, really ?

if we get ill with covid, and then get sepsis and die in hospital
is the cause sepsis OR the thing that brought us in to hospital ?

and if covid is what we catch in hospital,
does matter if it was a broken legs that led to us getting it?

seems most admission now are majority covid
as other dept's speaking of a much lower workload, understandably.

i do hear the point, but just get concerned that the above is the ultimate outcome for many death
and if we pick out the 'With or OF"
that might just make this "just the flu,:rolleyes:" and alter our preparedness for the next disease x, that comes our way.?
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And I sort of agree with you. I too am concerned with how many extra people are dying (that wouldn’t have otherwise) rather than labels of how we arrived at the pearly gates. That is not to say this is “just flu” but to keep the most accurate rather than sensationalist view of what’s occurring.

And I do think a lot of extra people are losing their lives. I’m scared, I think it’s a lot more than flu - even if purely down to the condensed time period, but I also think the media are selling in the business of selling stories. Hence my interest in maximising my health along with seeking the clearest unbiased accurate data that clearly identifies what it is stating and what it is not.
 
I've been following what is happening in India.
It makes me very, very, grateful to be in the UK at the moment.

This is a good overview,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-52222906

The day the lockdown was announced, 50,000 migrant workers were kicked out of their accommodation in Delhi (so just one town amongst many), and descended on the city bus station to try to travel back to their villages.
But the buses had been cancelled.
So they had to start walking, for days, with all their possessions on their backs.

These pictures best which communicate the scale of what happened.
https://gulfnews.com/photos/news/in...id-covid-19-lockdown-1.1585394226024?slide=10

the first article above provides links to this NY Times article discussing Lockdown exit strategies.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/opinion/coronavirus-end-social-distancing.html
Looks like we will all be in the same boat, across the planet.
I see China is reporting 99 new cases today, despite their various measures to keep things under control
 
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