This thread is absolutely staggering. I feel that I have suddenly arrived at a Trump rally, sharing conspiracy theories and a breeding ground for anti-vax garbage. Exhaustive, huge-sample testing, disaggregated results and peer review will do for me. I rely on insulin and I will similarly rely on either of the two vaccines that are coming on stream and hope that all but a tiny minority do so too.
thalidomide scandal is one the reasons we have glp and mhra oversight. Apples and oranges using that as a justification for scaremongering. Shame on you.Seven months for a trial that should normally take years, no chance I’m taking it unless I’m forced to at work. I will eventually take it once I know people aren’t growing extra ears or bursting into flames but diabetic or not I ain’t being anyone’s trial beagle. Remember the miracle treatment for pregnant women...yes it wasn’t a vaccine but regardless I ain’t trusting no vaccine for now
This is truly an interesting discussion. If you speak with older ex military personnel who had been given all types of vaccines to prevent diseases whilst in combat zones, you will find they now are suffering with debilitating effects, memory loss, aches, pains, fatigue plus more. The interesting thing is, like most government investigations, they dont start until 30/40 years afterwards, so anyone affected is likely to be too I'll or deceased to challenge anything. Of course it will get wrapped into old age, dementia etc... because side effects from drugs can easily get hidden. I'm not against a vaccine but my right to receive or refuse it is and must remain my right.
If you look carefully you will see that all (certainly the big pharmas) have had similar actions.Is it the one being offered by Pfizer? Depends on how much you trust a drug company about this? They have been prosecuted and fined in the past for making false marketing claims.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/pfi...lkb3O0cxU7vgOVUBvRvIVtYinqcga7t6hg0p8laVa9XMU
In the past a new vaccine would have required isolating the virus then finding a way to kill it or weaken it, so that it could still provoke an immune response while not infecting anybody (well, not too many). That could take many years.
The RNA sequence of SARS-CoV-2 was emailed around the world by Chinese scientists in January 2020. Three hours later one scientist had already determined a potential vaccine candidate. That cut three years off the development time.
In the past vaccine development would have gone along these lines -
Note that all those ‘beg for funding’ steps take a long time - and that time gets longer for each successive phase.
- Find a candidate.
- Beg for funding for animal testing.
- Perform the studies.
- Write up and publish results.
- Beg for funding for small scale safety testing in humans.
- Find the volunteers.
- Perform the study.
- Write up and publish the results.
- Repeat steps 5 to 8 for Phase II (safety/efficacy tests in hundreds of humans)
- Repeat steps 5 to 8 for Phase III (safety/efficacy tests in tens of thousands of humans).
- Send all the results to the regulatory agencies
- Wait for approval
- Find somebody to make millions of doses.
- Woo-Hoo. We’ve got a vaccine.
But vaccines for covid-19 have thrown that playbook out of the window.
The first three steps for animal studies would have been roughly the same. It’s after than things got different. There was no real begging for funding. Money was coming in from governments and big pharma. So they didn’t have to wait to start human trials. And they didn’t have to run them sequentially.
Once they they were sure, from Phase I, that it wasn’t going to kill volunteers they could start on Phase II and Phase III. Phase II started first while they tried to get enough volunteers for the efficacy testing. Phase III started before Phase II was complete.
And they’re not having to send all the data to the regulatory agencies in one batch. The MHRA have been looking at the data from the AstraZeneca/Oxford as it’s been released. So they should be ready to make a decision within a week or two after the final data.
And AZ have already said that they can make 4 million doses for the UK before the end of the year, and a billion doses next year.
So that’s how we get a vaccine in less than a year. We don’t cut back on the safety testing, we cut back on the begging for funding and the red tape.
There is a difference between having a debate about an issue or voicing views that the vaccine has been produced too quickly and feeding completely ludicrous false information into the public domain though.Labour now calling for 'misinformation' to be "stamped out".
Seems some are afraid that not everyone agrees that a rushed vaccine is a good idea, or even necessary. Any nonconforming views must be silenced
This is truly an interesting discussion. If you speak with older ex military personnel who had been given all types of vaccines to prevent diseases whilst in combat zones, you will find they now are suffering with debilitating effects, memory loss, aches, pains, fatigue plus more. The interesting thing is, like most government investigations, they dont start until 30/40 years afterwards, so anyone affected is likely to be too I'll or deceased to challenge anything. Of course it will get wrapped into old age, dementia etc... because side effects from drugs can easily get hidden. I'm not against a vaccine but my right to receive or refuse it is and must remain my right.
Especially considering that the pharmacutical companies have been given immunity from legal challenges should it cause harm...This is truly an interesting discussion. If you speak with older ex military personnel who had been given all types of vaccines to prevent diseases whilst in combat zones, you will find they now are suffering with debilitating effects, memory loss, aches, pains, fatigue plus more. The interesting thing is, like most government investigations, they dont start until 30/40 years afterwards, so anyone affected is likely to be too I'll or deceased to challenge anything. Of course it will get wrapped into old age, dementia etc... because side effects from drugs can easily get hidden. I'm not against a vaccine but my right to receive or refuse it is and must remain my right.
I had whuflu in October 2019 and recovered quite happily after a week of flu-like symptoms...At the end of the day it comes down to two choices doesn't it. Whether you want to risk having the vaccine or the virus itself.
Hiya, listen to this doctor, he explains it quite clearly.The military don't JUST have lots of vaccines. They have also, in the time frame you mention, been exposed through their work and have been deliberately exposed 'to see the effects' of chemical agents in the past. You couldn't possibly separate the two, and for serious effects years later I'd be leaning heavily towards the latter explanation.
I don't see it as a problem with the vaccine being quickly brought out - the safety tests, as delineated above, are similar to any vaccine. I see the problem being the new technology, the use of the T cell stimulator, which no-one has used before, using a segment of RNA. I would have thought that with such a new technology, it would be best to wait a year or so and check back on those vaccinated. I feel a segment of RNA, seen as a foreign protein by the body, could perhaps spark an over-reaction of the defences and cause ME-like illnesses or perhaps allergies. Very happy to have this worry discounted by any doctory-scientisty-types on here.
I haven't been out since March, having been diabetic for 50 years, as I have asthma as well, and possibly a type of inflammatory arthritis. My first reaction was - yes, please, please get it to me asap. now i'm vacillating between responses!
I assume you will therefore be avoiding a meat replacement snack food that uses GMO technology to provide artificial vitamin B12 and D3 and heme iron simply because normally these come from animal sources only. Other products are in the pipeline from cheese to milk and eggs and are mass-produced in factory complexes without seeing the light of dayThere is no way I will be taking anything that has had it's development reduced from 10 years to 8 months topped with the fact this is a "new" method of vaccination - mRNA, where you are essentailly genetically modified because the "vaccine" inserts itself into the DNA of your cells - who the hell knows what this will lead to in future - and remember that we were told that Thalidomide was "safe"...
Well if you are confident that you had Covid-19 before anyone else then good for you, no further action needed. Although have you considered that perhaps you just had a different virus and you might still be at risk? Anyhow, your decision.I had whuflu in October 2019 and recovered quite happily after a week of flu-like symptoms...
There is no way I will be taking anything that has had it's development reduced from 10 years to 8 months topped with the fact this is a "new" method of vaccination - mRNA, where you are essentailly genetically modified because the "vaccine" inserts itself into the DNA of your cells - who the hell knows what this will lead to in future - and remember that we were told that Thalidomide was "safe"...
The DHSC has publicly explained it does nothing to your DNA, so phrasing it as genetic modification is a bit misleading. All for freedom of choice but based on fact to be fair.There is no way I will be taking anything that has had it's development reduced from 10 years to 8 months topped with the fact this is a "new" method of vaccination - mRNA, where you are essentailly genetically modified because the "vaccine" inserts itself into the DNA of your cells - who the hell knows what this will lead to in future - and remember that we were told that Thalidomide was "safe"...
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