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Discussion in 'Low-carb Diet Forum' started by Aquaruis, Jun 10, 2017.

  1. Aquaruis

    Aquaruis · Member

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    Hi all,

    I was recently diagnosed with type 2 diabetes and am following a lchf diet. Not on any medication as nurse said to wait for next hb1 test and will see what result is. It was 60 and fbg was 9.9. Is that really bad? I am overweight and trying to lose it.

    Also nurse said no meter since only given to insulin types, i have read so many forums here and cant decide which one to buy? They all have good and bad reviews? Am confused. Was looking at freestyle lite , can someone tell me which one is good and mostly accurate please.

    Alot of people say eat full fat but am wanting to lose weight so is it ok to eat low fat. Also berries and cream sound nice , what cream do people use and how do they get it thick? Just whipping in bowl? I have never bought cream, the ones in asda are very high calories and thin and watery. If someone can explain how they do theres and if they add any sugar?

    Sorry for the questions i have recently been diagnosed and am freaked out about complications.

    Many thanks
     
  2. Resurgam

    Resurgam Type 2 (in remission!) · Expert

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    The reason people say eat full fat of certain products is that it will help you to lose weight. Often low fat means high carb, so not a good idea.
    For decades there has been evidence that the dietary advice of fewer calories and less fat to lose weight is wrong - but it seems to have been ignored.
    I can't lose weight on a low calorie diet as my metabolism simply shuts down, but when I eat low carb my energy levels are high and my weight goes down, as long as I have enough fat in my diet.
    I use cream in my coffee and on berries, I get the double cream as that can be used for both. I just pour it into or onto the food, no whipping and absolutely no addition of sugar to anything at all.
     
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  3. mo53

    mo53 Type 2 · Expert

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    Hello @Aquaruis and welcome. I will tag @daisy1 who will post some excellent information. Many on the forum use a low carb high/medium fat diet to control their sugar and often to facilitate weight loss. Have a look at the low carb threads. Good luck in your journey
     
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  4. covknit

    covknit Prefer not to say · Well-Known Member

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    I like lidl extra thick cream on berries. Just spoon it out. I never add sugar to anything. sugar is 100% carb and most of the substitutes seem to be 80+. I did buy two sugar substitutes in Aldi but only have used a couple of tsps so I will not give a suggestion of preference.

    I do find cream very useful as a gravy or sauce with most meats. Heat some double cream using a fork like a whisk to thicken but it will reduce to desired consistency. Stir in some mustard and I have a quick lchf gravy. Dijon mustard is more delicately flavoured than wholegrain. Usually I saute some onion, garlic, mushrooms add meat and stir the cream through for the last couple of minutes.

    My initial weight loss happened because I just avoided carbs. Use enough butter and cream to make sure you are not hungry. There is no need to use more fat/oil than what you consider normal amounts but I did a slow weight loss after the initial big drop.

    I cannot help re meters but you can see how bad your Hba1c reading is my looking at the chart "50 shades of diabetes" Just google it. It starts at 31 which is green and works its way up 50 reading to very scary levels. Do make sure you never use oils and fats above their smoke points which you can find on wikipedia. If you want to do more than sautee you need to decide your own feelings about evil and good fats and oils. All oils and fats are a mix of saturated and unsaturated and there does not seem to be a lot of agreement over which are "best". Olive seems to gets the most good votes but is probably the one most promoted as "healthy". Olive has a reasonably neutral taste. For taste I prefer butter for leeks and mushrooms but there are many oils available.
     
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  5. hca

    hca Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hello and welcome.

    I see you are already some excellent advice from the wonderful people here and mo53 is tagging daisy1 for you. I chose the Lchf route and lost a stone and a half and bought my hba1c down to normal levels.

    I tend to use double cream for sauces etc and poured over berries it's delicious or whipped into no sugar jellies which is my go to pud if need one.

    Meters are a personal choice and quite often come down to cost of strips, not sure how to do a link, but am sure someone will post one shortly on 2 of the meters used which have cheaper test strips.

    Good luck whatever you decide x
     
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  6. Goonergal

    Goonergal Type 2 · Moderator
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    Hi @Aquaruis

    The two meters that @hca is referring to are the SD Codefree and the Tee2

    https://homehealth-uk.com/all-products/codefree-blood-glucose-monitoring-system-mmoll-or-mgdl/

    Be sure to select the mmol type meter. This has the cheapest strips if you buy in bulk and use these discount codes

    5 packs 264086
    10 packs 975833

    The code is entered very close to the end of the check out process - so be sure to look carefully!

    The other is the Tee2, which is free

    http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product-category/shop/tee2/

    If buying packs of strips one at a time, then there is very little difference between the two.
     
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  7. Phoenix55

    Phoenix55 Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    Hi @Aquaruis . I also started by thinking that I needed to eat low fat to lose weight and then to eat low carb to keep control of BG levels. That did not leave me much to eat so I had a rethink. Some dairy fats, eggs, cheese and cream are fine for me but not bacon. Once you have decided on a meter and use it you can find what works for you. I found that a combination of reduced carbs, a slight increase in dairy and regular walking did the trick and I lost a pound a week. It was steady enough for my body to adjust, colleagues soon noticed the weight loss and by the time I had reached my target weight it had become habitual so I could allow myself a few treats to balance out the weight loss. Try not to panic, it really does not help, but make a start by reducing your carb intake and then tweak it so it works for you. You have made a good start by coming to this forum and realising that you need to change what you are eating. Read around the forum but please remember you need to find your own solutions, no single way works for everyone.
     
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  8. hca

    hca Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thank you @Goonergal for the link I was having an oopsie moment x
     
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  9. Aquaruis

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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Master

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    What!!!!
     
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  11. Snapsy

    Snapsy Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Imagine my delight when I got home from a fasted swim this morning and found in the fridge the 'big half' of the small tub of double cream I opened for last night's strawberries and jelly.....!

    I did of course need to redress the balance in the tub of cream - so we had creamy scrambled eggs for breakfast! Oh, and bacon, mushrooms and half a tomato.

    Still a 'shy half' of cream left for tonight's strawbs.

    If that doesn't sound like the start and the end of a cracking Sunday I don't know what does!

    :)
     
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  12. daisy1

    daisy1 Type 2 · Legend
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    @Aquaruis
    Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions when you need to and someone will be able to help.


    BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

    Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

    A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

    On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

    The role of carbohydrate

    Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

    If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

    The bad news

    Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

    The good news

    People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

    Controlling your carbs

    The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

    There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
    • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
    • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
    Reduce your carbohydrates

    A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

    The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

    Choosing better carbohydrates

    The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

    Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

    Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

    Eating what works for you

    Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

    To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

    The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

    Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
    • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
    • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
    Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
    • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
    • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
    Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
    • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
    • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
    However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

    Access to blood glucose test strips

    The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

    • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
    • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

    Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

    You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

    Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

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  13. geefull

    geefull Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Hello @Aquaruis :)

    Welcome to the forum and good luck in your quest for control!

    I know that you asked about cream but if you are worried about the calories too here are a couple of suggestions:
    I use plain full fat Greek (or Turkish) style yogurt on berries etc and for making a salad dressing - the one from Lidl is very good but look carefully at the supermarket brands because some have added sugar :( . Greek/Turkish yoghurt is strained, so it's thicker.

    Also good is Alpro soya based yoghurt, it's slightly sweeter than the Greek though so not so good for using with savoury things.

    I use a Low Carb and Healthy Fat diet myself and I had (and still have) a lot of weight to lose.
     
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  14. ladybird64

    ladybird64 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi Aquarius. You have said you are following a low carb diet, can you give us some idea of meals you have for brekkie, lunch and dinner?
    I know the fats thing can be confusing and worrying, so it helps if we know how many carbs you are eating x
     
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    Mbaker Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    You can try the low fat yogurts, but just watch if extra sugar has been added to compensate for taste, I did this. Having read many threads and watched a ton of youtube, I moved onto high fat yogurts,
     
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    RosieLKH Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Having lived almost constantly on a low calorie diet for about 35 years, it has been hard to get my head round LCHF. But those 35 years of low cals took me to 19st, so something wasn't right. Now, on LCHF, I can lose weight, as long as I don't give in to my weakness for bread. Eating cream, pork scratchings, butter, full fat milk, cheese - all of that is fine for me. It's filling, tasty and I lose weight. As soon as I add in some bread in any form I put on weight. I wish I'd known this when I was 20!
     
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  17. Aquaruis

    Aquaruis · Member

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    Thank you all for replying Ladybird 64. I am currently eating under 70 carbs a day, alot of fish, chicken ,tuna,salmon. I dont eat breakfast either, i do 16/8 fasting . The weights coming of slowly. I dint eat rice,pasta, potaotoes,or bread at all now. Am just so scared of diabetes complications if i dont control my eating.
     
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