This made me really, really happy! Give us a link to the abstract as soon as possible! Do you plan on any long-term follow-up for your group?Looking through the forum I was sorry to hear how some of you met a rather closed response from your health professionals .About a year ago I began working with a group of 19 pre-diabetic and type two diabetic patients (insulin dependant patients were not included) who were interested in maximising the benefits of a good diet and wanted to try a lower carb, higher fat diet. I thought if I could get the work published by a reputable peer reviewed journal you would then have something to share with your doctors,nurses and dieticians. I am particularly interested in the goal of maximising the effect of diet BEFORE starting medication and find many patients agree.
I have just heard the work is to be published in March. The idea is that after the article is published by Practical Diabetes it will be free to view for you all
THE RESULTS : Weight and HbA1c down significantly ,also improvements in blood pressure,liver function tests and interestingly cholesterol despite a diet higher in fats (coconut oil ,butter,olive oil and lots of eggs) Publication is due in a few weeks will see then if I can upload an abstract and a link to the entire thing. Over the last year I have come to feel that the starch in bread, pasta (even whole meal) rice and potatoes is actually concentrated sugar, with a higher glycemic index than table sugar itself. So no surprise that diabetics may struggle to deal with these items in their diet. It seems to me that HOWEVER any particular patient looses weight their diabetes improves. This can lead to some rather stark choices between weight loss and medication!
Going 'online' has its pitfalls. last year my children thought it was hilarious that some of you thought I was a troll, that has now been sorted out. Another is that it's not really ethical for a doctor to give specific advice which is why I cannot answer questions relating to an individual case -sorry. My hope was that the work could help inform the debate between people with diabetes and the health professionals who care for them.
Yes I hope they do Paul because I would really like to know how they did there is so little information about itThere are some long term low carbers on here I know of who were skinny at diagnosis,perhaps they'll spot this and share some anecdotes with you.
I've actually gained a little weight since going LCHF. I wouldn't say I was skinny, but I've never been overweight. My BMI was 22 when I started in early 2008 and is now 23. My blood sugar was never frighteningly high - mostly 6-7 fasting and 12-13 at its highest random test. LCHF brought my daytime bloods down to normal within a week. It took co-enzyme Q10 to bring down my fasting level, but that's because my db is associated with a coQ10 deficiency.Yes I hope they do Paul because I would really like to know how they did there is so little information about it
I've actually gained a little weight since going LCHF. I wouldn't say I was skinny, but I've never been overweight. My BMI was 22 when I started in early 2008 and is now 23. My blood sugar was never frighteningly high - mostly 6-7 fasting and 12-13 at its highest random test. LCHF brought my daytime bloods down to normal within a week. It took co-enzyme Q10 to bring down my fasting level, but that's because my db is associated with a coQ10 deficiency.
I'm not sure whether you're T1 or T2, but if you're T2 and skinny you might think about being tested for monogenic (MODY) or mitochondrial diabetes.
Dr Bernstein recommends LCHF for all types.
Hope this helps,
Kate
I've actually gained a little weight since going LCHF. I wouldn't say I was skinny, but I've never been overweight. My BMI was 22 when I started in early 2008 and is now 23. My blood sugar was never frighteningly high - mostly 6-7 fasting and 12-13 at its highest random test. LCHF brought my daytime bloods down to normal within a week. It took co-enzyme Q10 to bring down my fasting level, but that's because my db is associated with a coQ10 deficiency.
I'm not sure whether you're T1 or T2, but if you're T2 and skinny you might think about being tested for monogenic (MODY) or mitochondrial diabetes.
Dr Bernstein recommends LCHF for all types.
Hope this helps,
Kate
I find this very interesting I am a very skinny type 2 I am about 5 ft 0 and weigh 43.5 k I was diagnosed aged 66 my mother had db and my younger brother also has db I try to lc hf and am keeping my HbA1c at about 6.8 but I do struggle to keep eating enough I am taking 2000mgs of Metformin per day and I know this is an appetite supressant but I dont want to take more medication so basically rock and hard place
CAROL
If you are missing toast, try baking an almond flour muffin. Sorry to go off topic, but they are very tasty! http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/breads/r/lowcarbmuffins.htmI am a type 1 who went lchf in August 13. I've list almost 4 stone. My peaks and troughs are so much less extreme.
The best is knowing I am not going to go low because I've overcompensated for a bowl of pasta.
I miss toast but other than that I feel the best I've ever felt and my last hba1c was 6.5% in old money. Hoping to beat that I. The next one. I also know that it wasn't based on massive highs and dangerous lows.
Look forward to hearing about your research. (I'm also from Sefton!)
Mrs Vimes
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It's not my low coQ10 that caused my db; I have a mitochondrial genetic defect that causes both co-enzyme Q10 deficiency and diabetes, and probably also hyperlipidaemia and possibly migraine and migraine stroke.What lowered your Q10 to bring on diabetes?
I would be interested to know if all the 19 people in the trial needed to loose weight or were there any who didn't need to loose.
Most of the talk on here is from people who low carb but also needed to loose weight so us skinnies are very much in the minority if LCHF made us loose more weight this would not be good. Did the trial show what was the best level of carbs to consume as people here vary a lot in how many they eat in a day
ThanksWelcome back Stockport GP, I remember you were treated very badly first time round. Embarrassing stuff, glad you decided to give it another go.
I'm probably one of the few who haven't lost weight on low carb (could do with losing a couple of stone).
It will be interesting to read your findings.
It's not the GP's that you need to get through to, many of us only see a nurse. Its the dieticians who need help.
Looking through the forum I was sorry to hear how some of you met a rather closed response from your health professionals .About a year ago I began working with a group of 19 pre-diabetic and type two diabetic patients (insulin dependant patients were not included) who were interested in maximising the benefits of a good diet and wanted to try a lower carb, higher fat diet. I thought if I could get the work published by a reputable peer reviewed journal you would then have something to share with your doctors,nurses and dieticians. I am particularly interested in the goal of maximising the effect of diet BEFORE starting medication and find many patients agree.
I have just heard the work is to be published in March. The idea is that after the article is published by Practical Diabetes it will be free to view for you all
THE RESULTS : Weight and HbA1c down significantly ,also improvements in blood pressure,liver function tests and interestingly cholesterol despite a diet higher in fats (coconut oil ,butter,olive oil and lots of eggs) Publication is due in a few weeks will see then if I can upload an abstract and a link to the entire thing. Over the last year I have come to feel that the starch in bread, pasta (even whole meal) rice and potatoes is actually concentrated sugar, with a higher glycemic index than table sugar itself. So no surprise that diabetics may struggle to deal with these items in their diet. It seems to me that HOWEVER any particular patient looses weight their diabetes improves. This can lead to some rather stark choices between weight loss and medication!
Going 'online' has its pitfalls. last year my children thought it was hilarious that some of you thought I was a troll, that has now been sorted out. Another is that it's not really ethical for a doctor to give specific advice which is why I cannot answer questions relating to an individual case -sorry. My hope was that the work could help inform the debate between people with diabetes and the health professionals who care for them.
I think the Scandanavians are way ahead of us in this and have shown the only longer term study of the diet I'm aware of -four yearsGet in touch with dietdoctor - Andreas Eenfeldt (Swedish GP with special interest in diet, and diabetes), he'll be happy tospread world all over Scandinavia and further.
thanks Yes I keep pointing out that it's a basic fact - starch is concentrated sugar It's how plants store glucose !!Logic and a knowledge of biochemistry say that carbs Must be controlled. Many people are advised to control sugars, but too many HCPs[ including dieticians!] don't seem to know the molecular structure of starches or how fast they are broken down. The huge numbers of people who have trouble with grains, particularly wheat, supports my idea that we are not meant to base our eating around these foods.. Now that Paleo is gaining a lot of interest, along with the work of Dr. John Yudkin, I hope your paper gets the right kind of interest from the medical professions.
Hana
This is such a hot debate at present Dr Malhotra in the British Medical Journal has cast some doubt on the whole cholesterol heart disease thing - but for your interest despite all the eggs and a higher fat diet the cholesterol tended to go down not up as weight fellThe interesting thing for me will be the olive oil/butter.
I'm very keen to target my cholesterol, and I want to look at the unsaturated/saturated fats arguments.
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