Diabetes Burnout.

Mep

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Some may know me and the struggle I've had and having realising I'm diabetic.

I'm really struggling still I'm still eating sweets still eating chocolate and living like I was before diagnosed I'm not suicidal but I don't care I've tried every diet and pills possible to lose weight and now thinking f it I've tried so hard but now am injecting over 26 units of novorapid every time audit doesn't even touch the surface.

Has anyone had success with diet pills alone I'm not very active due to osteoarthritis that has developed in my hip. I have will power but it's got me nowhere and I even though I'm eating less than 1000 calories a day the weight is increasing all the time that's why I've adopted this attitude I'm not looking for any sympathy here I do realise I'm master of my own downfall.

Sorry to hear you're struggling :( I don't know if perhaps your weight gain is triggered by medications? I'm on quite a few medications and I find any time I have dosage adjustments or changes in drugs I seem to gain weight. I'm also trying to lose weight at the moment. I feel your pain. It's certainly a journey. Just keep trying though and see what works for you. Also if you're only on 1000 calories per day it may not be enough to trigger your body to drop the weight. I say that because I was watching a show today where a trainer was discussing the importance of not starving your body of calories to lose weight and how you need to eat the right amount of calories to fuel your body correctly to drop the weight. Also he mentioned that starving the body is also starving it of nutrients. It's something to think about anyhow. I wish you the best. :)
 
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Sorry to hear you're struggling :( I don't know if perhaps your weight gain is triggered by medications? I'm on quite a few medications and I find any time I have dosage adjustments or changes in drugs I seem to gain weight. I'm also trying to lose weight at the moment. I feel your pain. It's certainly a journey. Just keep trying though and see what works for you. Also if you're only on 1000 calories per day it may not be enough to trigger your body to drop the weight. I say that because I was watching a show today where a trainer was discussing the importance of not starving your body of calories to lose weight and how you need to eat the right amount of calories to fuel your body correctly to drop the weight. Also he mentioned that starving the body is also starving it of nutrients. It's something to think about anyhow. I wish you the best. :)
Hi Mep

Thanks for your kind words of support. I'm sorry you're experiencing similar concerns as me.

The point you make about not enough calories is an eye opener my basic understanding was less calories less weight gain but on the flip side whatever calories I'm eating the body automatically stores which is where I'm going wrong.

I'm now 12st exactly and 5ft 6in male so above my BMI I'm actually type 3c only learnt that recently as my diabetes was as a result of pancreas failure.

I hope you succeed in your goals and thanks for being positive for me really appreciate it l'll keep in touch

Thanks
 
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Mep

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Hi Mep

Thanks for your kind words of support. I'm sorry you're experiencing similar concerns as me.

The point you make about not enough calories is an eye opener my basic understanding was less calories less weight gain but on the flip side whatever calories I'm eating the body automatically stores which is where I'm going wrong.

I'm now 12st exactly and 5ft 6in male so above my BMI I'm actually type 3c only learnt that recently as my diabetes was as a result of pancreas failure.

I hope you succeed in your goals and thanks for being positive for me really appreciate it l'll keep in touch

Thanks

You're welcome :)

I'm currently playing around with diet myself to try and get things right. That show I mentioned he was training a 23yo disabled man who decided to drop his calories drastically to lose more weight during the program. The trainer found out and said he had put him on a 1800 calorie per day diet for a reason. The doctor did blood tests on the man and found he was deficient in nutrients so it meant he had to cut back on activity level to build up his nutrients again. Now this man dropped over 200lbs in a year so that is a huge weight loss and he was on a tight program of working out and calorie control diet of 1800. What he achieved wouldn't be the norm for weight loss. I would think everyone is different. If you don't do much during the day, then you'd use less calories. But it's finding that balance I think to get the body to drop the weight.
 

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For anyone going through tough times regarding their diabetes management and from reading on the forum how some younger type 1 members really, really struggle, this is a must read for all.Remember you are not alone.

Connecting people with diabetes

Putting the Brakes on Diabetes Burnout


Helen Edwards; Founder and Director Diabetes Counselling Onlinewww.diabetescounselling.com.au
Diabetes burn out is a common problem for many people, but what is it? Basically this occurs when you grow very tired of managing your diabetes. You might experience feelings of exhaustion and instead of sticking to your regular blood glucose checks, medications, exercise, insulin and other self care tasks, you only do them partially or possibly neglect them altogether for a period of time. It is more than just having a bad day. You just can’t seem to muster the motivation to keep on managing and the guilt and stress about what this is doing to your body just builds up…..adding to your distress.

The challenge for people living with diabetes and this includes family members and caregivers, is to walk the fine line between stress and worry about diabetes, with feeling comfortable about where diabetes sits in your life. You need to try and have perspective about what your goals are and what you can realistically manage at this moment. When you balance this you are able to better manage under times of stress and prevent burn out. One of the biggest things that can help is to have good support. This includes from family, friends, other people with diabetes and your health care team. Exercise and relaxation strategies really help. Learning mindfulness, which teaches you to worry less and be present in your daily life helps to reduce anxiety and distress. Being able to feel in control and have a tool kit for what to do when things feel like they may be getting out of control in any aspect of your life really makes a difference. Diabetes is not just about your blood glucose and stress and problems in other areas of life will have an impact on you control. So it is important to make sure you stay healthy in all areas of your life and keep on top of stress.

Diabetes is different to other chronic disease as it requires self management by you on a daily even hourly basis, with guidance from your health care team. It can be easy to become overwhelmed by all the tasks you need to do and the day to day effort needed to manage. Burn out is particularly likely if you work really hard at managing your diabetes but the results are not what you would like. It is also more likely when you have pressure or stress in other areas of your life that you feel you can not control. Diabetes burn out can last a short time, be ongoing, or can come and go. Studies have shown that a majority of people living with diabetes do experience worries, fears and negative feelings at some stage. Some high risk times where you may experience burn out due to added stress or changes in your life include:

  1. If you are not meeting diabetes targets, frustration with lack of movement towards your health goals
  2. Experiencing family/relationship problems, breakdown or violence
  3. Transition or times of change in your life
  4. Loss of someone you care about or other grief/loss
  5. Experiencing poverty or homelessness
  6. Drug and alcohol problems
  7. Problems with work and financial stress
  8. Other physical or mental health problems – such as another chronic disease, depression, mental illness, eating disorders
  9. Pregnancy – planning pregnancy and trying to conceive, during pregnancy and parenting when you have diabetes yourself
  10. Growing older and dealing with changes to your body, your health and your diabetes
  11. Diagnosis of diabetes complications
The recent 2011 study Diabetes MILES which surveyed over 3000 adults with diabetes in Australia found that overall, people were least satisfied with their health, as compared to other aspects of their life. Adults with type 2 diabetes who were using insulin had lower levels of satisfaction across all life areas (e.g. health, relationships, safety, standard of living) as compared to adults with type 1 diabetes or with those who had type 2 diabetes but were not using insulin. Adults with type 2 diabetes who were using insulin were also more likely to experience moderate to severe symptoms of depression and anxiety than other respondents. Moderate to severe depressive symptoms affected 35% of adults with type 2 on insulin, as compared to 22% of those with type 1 and 23% of those with type 2 who were not using insulin. Moderate to severe anxiety symptoms also affected 19% of adults with type 2 who were using insulin, as compared to 15% of those with type 1 and 14% of those with type 2 non-insulin-managed diabetes. Adults with type 1 diabetes were more likely to experience severe diabetes-related distress than other respondents. 28% of adults with type 1 diabetes experienced severe distress, as compared to 22% of people with type 2 insulin-managed and 17% of type 2 non insulin-managed diabetes. The most commonly reported problem area for respondents (consistent across diabetes types and treatment regimens) was worrying about the future and the development of diabetes related complications.

Rates of diabetes related distress are high yet people are often scared to ask for help, particularly if they have not been managing well. It is important that you DO ask for help and remember there is no such thing as a silly question! Most of us get tired of doing everyday tasks and diabetes sure adds to those! Few people can maintain all the tasks of diabetes care week-in, week-out AND keep blood glucose and HbA1c’s in the narrow target range all the time. Without realistic expectations and practical strategies for managing the thoughts, feelings and emotional side of diabetes, the risk of burnout is higher. The way we think and talk about diabetes has a major impact on how we feel and manage diabetes. Using words like “ high and low” blood glucose instead of “good and bad” can help and so does using CHECK instead of the word TEST when talking about blood glucose monitoring. The reality is most people have an immediate reaction to a high or low BGL. That is normal and fine, but once you have this reaction move on to looking at the number and working out how to manage this and prevent it in the future if possible.

Seven Steps to dealing with Burn out

  1. Consider what particular areas of diabetes are causing you problems – usually it is not all of it! Then develop steps for sorting these areas. Get help if needed.
  2. What else is happening in your life that might be conflicting with diabetes care, or making it harder?
  3. How might you address these things?
  4. What are your expectations for your diabetes management? Do you need to lower or increase your expectations?
  5. What sorts of thoughts and feelings are you having about diabetes/
  6. How are you managing these and are these strategies working? What have you tried?
  7. Do you have any support? Is it the right support? Is it enough support? If not, how can you get this?
Support is vital. Make sure you get this from a variety of sources:

  • Health Care Team
  • Family and friends
  • People with diabetes
  • Online and in person
  • Books, magazines and other sources of information
  • Counselling and other specialists
  • Take time out from diabetes and other stress – try to be a “human being” not always a “human doing”!
Diabetes might thrive on maths – to be corrected and added up BUT You are not a maths problem! See yourself as a sunset – not something to be solved, but appreciated –your achievements, attempts at change, dreams and goals – sit back and appreciate them from time to time and remember there is more to life than diabetes.
 
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Natalie1993

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Hi all, i think i could be experiencing this or a possible mental health problem, i have no clue which, lately i have been feeling like ****, im starting to hate my job which is started 8 months ago as i have moved away from family, im currently in a relationship which i do not want to destroy, im having mood swings to the point where i have no motivation to do anything at all, of course i inject tho, i dont feel happy, i want to cry, i lost my mum 9 years ago this year and that is still a daily struggle, can anyone suggest me speak to someone or is this just a phase?
 

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Hi all, i think i could be experiencing this or a possible mental health problem, i have no clue which, lately i have been feeling like ****, im starting to hate my job which is started 8 months ago as i have moved away from family, im currently in a relationship which i do not want to destroy, im having mood swings to the point where i have no motivation to do anything at all, of course i inject tho, i dont feel happy, i want to cry, i lost my mum 9 years ago this year and that is still a daily struggle, can anyone suggest me speak to someone or is this just a phase?

How have you been feeling lately? i hope things are improving for you. Has your partner helped you with this? and I'm sorry to hear about your mother, I'm honestly not ready for when that day comes but I suspect no one is. I'm not sure if it's the same for you but at my clinic they have a counselor who listens and provides support but I would suggest reaching out to your support circle at least to talk about this because it isn't healthy to keep this inside. It's what I did and it drove me crazy but I reached out to a counselor and feel loads better. Wishing you the best and I hope you are doing well/better, looking forward to your reply.
 

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Hi, i have been feeling good lately to be honest, i have been out the past 2 days, i went to keswick with my partner yesterday which was nice to actually spend time together, it was also his idea, i went to airo force today with a friend and that was also nice, though i think i will experience being on high for a while and then feeling like **** after that, thank you for your kind words, i dont think i have ever been really happy since my mum passed as she was the world to me, i just hope i make her and my family proud, i do actually still need to get in contact with the drs to get an appt with a diabetes nurse so i can get back on track, i hope you are also well and happy?! :)
 
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@Natalie1993 I am doing fantastic! Spending time with loved ones is always good. When I'm down I find comfort in family and friends, I had to google Keswick and if it's the one I saw on google then it looks beautiful (Keswick Ontario). I too am from Canada and spent a few days in the wilderness doing ice fishing back in January.

Like you my mother is my world, I will always be a momma's boy and just hearing her voice calms me down. I just learned this phrase today and love it, Diabetes is a marathon! not a sprint! I wish you the best in your management and care.
 

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Hey! Glad you are doing well! Ha the one in canada sounds lovely, but im actually in the uk,cumbria. My boyfriend has a canadian accent though so hello to a fellow canadian . Ice fishing i have heard of too! Your words are really nice about you and your mum, i wish i could hear my mothers voice again but i know what she would tell me! Ha! That is a great quote! I hope it helps you a lot and also wish you the best :)
 

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Burnout yep, worse if our have other more life threatening conditions, knowing the facts for and from both helps enormously. This particular thread has explained much. Many thanks to all.
 

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I watched this comedy skit from Patrice O'Neal, he was a stand up comedian who was diagnosed with type 2 at 23 years old. He died of a stroke at 41 I think because he didn't take his diagnosis seriously.

But back to the skit. He talked about how he was unable to just enjoy food, to make it brief

"I ate really well yesterday, so that means today I can eat...a leg of lamb!" But essentially the point he made was that this is forever and I'm fine with that. I'm only like two months in and I'm exploring what foods are safe and etc and having fun with it.

I don't know why that video brought me down, maybe it's because he died at 41 from a stroke. If he had taken his condition seriously he could've still been here hustling. I don't know. It just brought me down, and I was having a good night last night. I had 40 grams of whole wheat pasta, 100 grams of lean ground beef with some pasta sauce for dinner and one piece of garlic bread.

My sugar level was clean two hours after, I suspect it's the weight loss that's reversing the insulin resistance. I'm going to play it safe today and eat some low carb salad and eggs and chicken wraps

And lastly it's the numb finger, my right side pinky goes numb but like a livewire where it's all tingly. I went to the clinic and they said it's to be suspected, it's very mild because the sensation lasts only for a few minutes and only comes when I'm on my phone or reading a book.
 
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@Ragmar. FYI, when you have a high carb meal like that, you should test further, like at 3&4 hours. It can sneak up on you.

@Contralto. A dipstick (dipstix) is a measuring device, like for oil. Remove, wipe, dip, check level, return.
 
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@LouWilk059 Thank you for looking out. The meal in itself was 58 grams of carbs. I only eat carb heavy meals before or after working out. I'm not sure if that makes a difference or not but I'm working on a meal plan. I work construction so I burn a lot of energy
 

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One of the worst things is when you work on your A1c and lower it by two whole numbers, the doctors and nurses do not notice or say anything about it. I brought it up and all I get if a "Oh yes, that is good". They never ask what I am doing to get it there.

I go in for other medical tests and never get any feed back there either. It is not even one specific doctor in. I had a 24 hour cardio monitor for a sudden heart condition. It has been four weeks and I have still not heard any results. I have checked in twice.

I went in for cognition tests. No one would discuss the results. It is as if the doctors involved worked it all out among themselves and left me (the specimen) out of the discussion.

What gives, am I not important here?
 

LouWilk059

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One of the worst things is when you work on your A1c and lower it by two whole numbers, the doctors and nurses do not notice or say anything about it. I brought it up and all I get if a "Oh yes, that is good". They never ask what I am doing to get it there.

I go in for other medical tests and never get any feed back there either. It is not even one specific doctor in. I had a 24 hour cardio monitor for a sudden heart condition. It has been four weeks and I have still not heard any results. I have checked in twice.

I went in for cognition tests. No one would discuss the results. It is as if the doctors involved worked it all out among themselves and left me (the specimen) out of the discussion.

What gives, am I not important here?
Some people are invisible for some reason. I've been regularly overlooked while waiting in line to order food. They just ask the person behind me what they would like. There was also one time, while looking at product on a shelf (at eye level) a woman moved directly in front of me. She was so close her hair was in my face.

So, just to say, you are not unimportant. For some reason, we just blend in. We are too ordinary and normal.

I often wondered if I would be successful as a bank robber!
 
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In one year, I went from A1c of 9, to 8.2, to 7.6 and then 6.3 in four consecutive blood tests. Believe it or not, it was of little note for discussion. After I bring it up, suddenly they are interested, But I wonder if they really are.

My answer was the development of a computer program to remind me to measure, tell me how much insulin to take, and create reports accordingly. 6.3!
 
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I have been getting really fed up, not just with diabetes.

I handed my notice in last week after changes at work made it too stressful, so am now jobless.

It is coming up to the 2nd anniversary of my partners death and as a result of her passing and losing a job have had to move back to Bristol. Leaving the few friends I had behind.

I am finding it so wearing trying to eat well, I miss being able to make a sandwich think I might go back to quack and discuss medication.
 

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I have been getting really fed up, not just with diabetes.

I handed my notice in last week after changes at work made it too stressful, so am now jobless.

It is coming up to the 2nd anniversary of my partners death and as a result of her passing and losing a job have had to move back to Bristol. Leaving the few friends I had behind.

I am finding it so wearing trying to eat well, I miss being able to make a sandwich think I might go back to quack and discuss medication.
So sorry to read your difficulty, but your not on your own, after 40 being T1D mental health problems are part of being diabetic, I know because I feel the same, it's hard to talk to anyone you think, nobody cares, you draw into yourself, but your not alone, I'm here anytime you need a chat about anything, life is hard enough without having to worry about low blood sugars, meals constantly 24/7, I normally hide away myself for days on end, I was paid off from the caring NHS after my diabetes complications became a problem, I had to fight to win my disability case, eventually winnings after a court hearing, so your not alone my friend, here anytime for you. Chin up, once your feeling better, things will look different.

Regards
Carolann xx