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Diabetic Ice-Cream

bulkbiker said:
What I don't understand is that according to this

https://www.diabetes.org.uk/about_us/news/suitable-for-diabetics-food-labels-outlawed-from-today

Franks Ice cream should have been banned from calling itself diabetic from December 2016.. how can they still be selling it?
(And how can Ice Cream be diabetic.. but that is another story..)

I had a lengthy e-mail exchange with Waitrose about it but I'm sure they still have it.
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I was just reading the ingredient list for Frank’s, after milk and oil the next ingredients are Fructose, Maltodextrin and Dextrose. They claim that because it is sweetened with Fructose it has a low glycemic index. But isn’t Fructose implicated in NAFLD?
 
bulkbiker said:
What I don't understand is that according to this

https://www.diabetes.org.uk/about_us/news/suitable-for-diabetics-food-labels-outlawed-from-today

Franks Ice cream should have been banned from calling itself diabetic from December 2016.. how can they still be selling it?
(And how can Ice Cream be diabetic.. but that is another story..)

I had a lengthy e-mail exchange with Waitrose about it but I'm sure they still have it.
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I’ve just emailed Diabetes UK as Frank’s ice cream is on sale in my Tesco. In your link they invite you to let them know if you see products labelled for Diabetics. I’ll let you know what they say.
 
bulkbiker said:
Oh yes...
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Fructose is implicated, but I think it is not yet proven. It is a working hypothesis only at the moment. There os no advice from NICE or DUK that I have seen that advises T2D to avoid Fructose, and as far as I can see it is still part of the official Eatwell guide in the 5 -a-day advice.
 
Rachox said:
I’ve just emailed Diabetes UK as Frank’s ice cream is on sale in my Tesco. In your link they invite you to let them know if you see products labelled for Diabetics. I’ll let you know what they say.
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I was googling trying to find the legislation that DUK implies is there but nothing comes up.. hmm I wonder if they are taking credit for something that hasn't actually happened.. wouldn't be the first time.
 
Found it

"Regulation 609/2013 on foods for specific groups confirms that there will be no specific category of foods that may make claims stating they are suitable for diabetics. Department of Health (DH) has previously advised that the use of these statements should be evaluated in line with Article 7(1) of Regulation (EU) No 1169/2011 on the provision of food information to consumers. DH advice is that that use of statements such as “Diabetic” or “Suitable for diabetics” is misleading if all similar foods (e.g. foods bearing authorised nutrition claims for reduced sugar) are suitable for diabetics i.e. Article 7(1) (c) of Regulation (EU) No 1169/20112. As such, manufacturers have been advised to change their labels where they bear these statements and it will be for the Home/Primary Authority to liaise with the business to assist with compliance in the first instance. "

Hmmm so it's "advice" does that mean not enforceable...?
 
I remember Franks ice cream from when I was first dianosed in 97 at which time it was certainly labelled as suitable for diabetics. It certainly wasnt suitable for this diabetic as it sent my sugars bonkers
On the back of this thread I googled to have a shufty at how they are getting round the legislation and found that from the labelling they are using, they do not ever say its suitable for diabetics, indeed Franks ice cream seems to have aqquired a metabolic disorder all of its own! Diabetic ice cream my a***
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/259670498?sc_cmp=ppc-_-sh-_-msh-_-bg-_-px_|_new_|_dsa/shopping-_-&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0uqeqqbB2QIVQ7HtCh0XOQ1cEAAYASAAEgLsZvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
 
bulkbiker said:
I was googling trying to find the legislation that DUK implies is there but nothing comes up.. hmm I wonder if they are taking credit for something that hasn't actually happened.. wouldn't be the first time.
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It seems to have been reported on Medscape as well, but no one else seems to have taken it up. Seems to have limited provenance.

Was also reported on this site by @Catherinecherub a year ago with same link as OP, so same source.
 
bulkbiker said:
Found it

"Regulation 609/2013 on foods for specific groups confirms that there will be no specific category of foods that may make claims stating they are suitable for diabetics. Department of Health (DH) has previously advised that the use of these statements should be evaluated in line with Article 7(1) of Regulation (EU) No 1169/2011 on the provision of food information to consumers. DH advice is that that use of statements such as “Diabetic” or “Suitable for diabetics” is misleading if all similar foods (e.g. foods bearing authorised nutrition claims for reduced sugar) are suitable for diabetics i.e. Article 7(1) (c) of Regulation (EU) No 1169/20112. As such, manufacturers have been advised to change their labels where they bear these statements and it will be for the Home/Primary Authority to liaise with the business to assist with compliance in the first instance. "

Hmmm so it's "advice" does that mean not enforceable...?
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If you search Regulation 1169/2011 for mention of diabetes or diabetic, then its absence is clearly shown. The only condition that has a specific mention under law is as a result of the Cancer Act 1939.

Regulation 609/2013 has this nugget of info
Directive 2009/39/EC provides that specific provisions can be adopted regarding the following two specific
categories of food falling within the definition of foodstuffs for particular nutritional uses: ‘food intended to meet the expenditure of intense muscular effort, especially for sportsmen’ and ‘food for persons suffering from carbohydrate metabolism disorders (diabetes)’. As regards special provisions for food for persons suffering from carbohydrate metabolism disorders (diabetes), a Commission report to the European Parliament and to the Council of 26 June 2008 on foods for persons suffering from carbohydrate metabolism disorders (diabetes) concluded that the scientific basis for setting specific compositional requirements is lacking.
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Meanwhile, on the basis of requests submitted by food business operators, relevant claims have been considered for authorisation in accordance with Regulation (EC) No 1924/2006.

It goes on to say that the regs for sportsmen will be reviewed in more detail in another study.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32011R1169&from=EN

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32013R0609&from=EN
 
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tubamanandy said:
Great but damned expensive
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Expensive yes same as Haagen Dad or Ben and Jerrys.

Obviously they taste far better... coz of the sugar. But for a treat a couple of times a week a scoop or two means it can go a long way...

Just a little to keep the wolf from the door!
 
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