Cutting back drastically on saturated fats has improved my cardiac performance by a large margin. There's a good chance I wouldn't be alive today if I hadn't. If you have any credible evidence that this caused my diabetes I'd love to see it.
It is my belief that no-one eats or advocates a zero carb diet. This would mean eating only meat and fish - no eggs, cream, cheese, nuts, vegetables. I would love to be able to eat the kind of "healthy" diet you seem to prefer, though I would not call it low carb. Sadly, when I was eating more or less that way it was making my blood glucose rise and fluctuate in a way that I, and people I consider authorities (Jenny Ruhl, Dr Bernstein) believe to be harmful. Not everyone has the same tolerance for carbs. You may be fine with a quarter plate of them, lucky you! but I struggle to keep my bg down on 20g a day. The NHS nutritionist I saw recently advised me to give up eating low carb, allow myself to become diabetic and trust to medicine to sort me out. At least he did not pretend that eating as you outline above would save me from high bg.Low-Carb, High Fat diet is not the same and should not be confused with Zero-Carb, High Protein Highly Saturated Fat diet.
The Low-Carb diet recommended by nutritionists is composed of:
- A quarter plate lean meat (ideally chicken breast, oily fish like salmon, lean beef). Absolutely no fatty cuts of beef, pork, lamb, chicken or canned, dried, processed meats like canned sausages, salami etc.
- A quarter plate carbohydrate (ideally stoned baked brown bread, brown rice - and no potatoes, white pasta, white noodles or white rice). We need carbs for energy but the right portion / type of carbs!
- Half plate vegetables (non-starchy, low glycemic ie broccoli, spinach, brussel sprouts, red peppers etc and all other above ground vegetables).
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diet/low-carb-diabetes-diet.html
It is my belief that no-one eats or advocates a zero carb diet. This would mean eating only meat and fish - no eggs, cream, cheese, nuts, vegetables. I would love to be able to eat the kind of "healthy" diet you seem to prefer, though I would not call it low carb. Sadly, when I was eating more or less that way it was making my blood glucose rise and fluctuate in a way that I, and people I consider authorities (Jenny Ruhl, Dr Bernstein) believe to be harmful. Not everyone has the same tolerance for carbs. You may be fine with a quarter plate of them, lucky you! but I struggle to keep my bg down on 20g a day. The NHS nutritionist I saw recently advised me to give up eating low carb, allow myself to become diabetic and trust to medicine to sort me out. At least he did not pretend that eating as you outline above would save me from high bg.
Low-Carb, High Fat diet is not the same and should not be confused with Zero-Carb, High Protein Highly Saturated Fat diet.
The Low-Carb diet recommended by nutritionists is composed of:
- A quarter plate lean meat (ideally chicken breast, oily fish like salmon, lean beef). Absolutely no fatty cuts of beef, pork, lamb, chicken or canned, dried, processed meats like canned sausages, salami etc.
- A quarter plate carbohydrate (ideally stoned baked brown bread, brown rice - and no potatoes, white pasta, white noodles or white rice). We need carbs for energy but the right portion / type of carbs!
- Half plate vegetables (non-starchy, low glycemic ie broccoli, spinach, brussel sprouts, red peppers etc and all other above ground vegetables).
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diet/low-carb-diabetes-diet.html
Butter, cream, cheese, yoghurt and milk would be included in 'Dairy'.No idea why butter was missed off that list...
- Meat
- Fish
- Dairy
- Eggs
- Nuts
- Avocado
- Olives
- Olive oil
I am well aware of what a low carb diet is and the difference between that and a ketogenic diet (which by the way is not necessarily high protein) as well as a zero carb diet.
You are happy to quote the low carb page from this site
but seem to want to ignore this bit
"It is advisable to ensure the fat content of your diet comes from natural sources, such as:
Natural sources of fat, such as the above, will provide a balance of monounsaturated, polyunsaturated and saturated fat."
- Meat
- Fish
- Dairy
- Eggs
- Nuts
- Avocado
- Olives
- Olive oil
No idea why butter was missed off that list...
A quarter plate of carbs of whatever hue would be way too many for a lot of people here (me included). We do not need carbs for energy so I'm afraid your "nutritionist" is incorrect there. If you wish to eat chicken breast and fish only feel free but please don't make claims that are not supported by current science.
Of course.. that was a duh! moment on my part...
Butter, cream, cheese, yoghurt and milk would be included in 'Dairy'.
Interesting! Sadly (for me!) I think being a man helps.Yes I can tolerate a quarter plate carb and half plate vegetables and my bg reads between 5s and 6s after 2 hours or so.
However if I don’t eat carbs at all it would read between the 4s and 5s but that would leave me without energy!
I tried Ketogenic diet and I almost died.
We are all different I suppose. However if I eat a small potato or even a slice of whole meal bread it would shoot my bg levels up!
Interested to know what you were eating on your keto diet that led to such a dramatic hospitalisation.I tried Ketogenic diet but it didn’t work for me sadly!
I was on ketosis and upped my fat intake but my body wouldn’t switch.
After 5-6 weeks, I could hardly walk and lost so much energy I ended up in the A & E!!!
Shame coz I believed and admired Dr Jason Fung!
Interested to know what you were eating on your keto diet that led to such a dramatic hospitalisation.
Keto diet didn’t work out for me I’m afraid
I tried though because as I said I admire Dr J Fung
Doesn't actually answer my question but hey your prerogative..
Hello Roy dont panic, and sorry to hear the diagnosis, it stuns us all, even myself pre diabetic, well pre diabetic due to cut offs in New Zealand but viewed Diabetic in Spain, so try and work that one out, its all a big business you see. The diabetic system cannot even get the cut offs the same they are all arbitrary set, with no medical or clinical support backup for the cut off, but well thats another story.Hi all, as the thread title says, I was diagnosed type2 a week ago today as a result of tests conducted for a different ailment. To say I was stunned by the diagnosis is a gross understatement! I only went to my GP with chronic heartburn! Along with the T2 I was also diagnosed with a stomach infection and an as yet unknown liver problem, for which I am having further tests done to clarify.
Having joined the forum a few days ago, I've spent my spare time browsing the various threads and picking up lots of information about T2 and would just like to say this forum is the bees knees! No doubt I'll have lots of questions in the near future so please be patient with me!
TOTALLY AGREE, and how wonderful to see someone has remarked the words MEDICALLY SUPPORTED EXPLANATIONS, CONSIDERING, the cut off numbers worldwide are all ARBITRARY SET, by the so called committee members, who acknowledge and agree the numbers set lowered are at whim, random and are not medically or clinically supported, its just a case, they decide to lower!!! excuse being to capture the disease earlier, well that seems sense, but what happens when those who were not pre diabetic or diabetic, suddenly overnight, WHEN THE CUT OFF LEVELS TO DIAGNOSE DIABETES drops from 140mg/dl to 100 then 100, who does this benefit? how many people overnight become pre or diabetic, and perhaps wrongly prescribed medications??????Hi Roy - T2 is a shock, but certainly not the end of the world. I have had T2 for about 15 years, and have found that diet control is essential - basically cutting out almost all carbohydrates (bread, pasta, rice, and especially anything with sugars - the carbs break down to sugar in your blood-stream). I presently follow the LCHF regime (somewhere around 50 gm of carbs/day) which seems to keep me in pretty good condition, at a constant healthy weight, without enormous sacrifice. Some exercise is also recommended, but walking is about all my ancient legs are up to. I also take Metformin twice a day. I highly recommend checking the www.dietdoctor.com website which provides a lot of medically supported explanations and background on the LCHF theory diet, as well as connections with many thousands of kindred diabetic people. It also provides MANY recipes for great dishes as well as complete meal plans. I eat lots of natural fats and butter, meats, eggs, vegetables, etc., with no negative effects on my cholesterol, and enjoy a glass of red wine at night, as well as my whiskey (or vodka) and water (or soda) on the weekends (no more rum and coke though). I had low-carb banana pancakes for breakfast this morning which were delicious! You can live with T2 and still enjoy a great life with just a few modifications. Check out the website that I mentioned for all sorts of great suggestions and support.
If it works for you there is nothing wrong with it. We are all different and can only speak for our self when it comes to what suits usCutting back drastically on saturated fats has improved my cardiac performance by a large margin. There's a good chance I wouldn't be alive today if I hadn't. If you have any credible evidence that this caused my diabetes I'd love to see it.
Why are you sceptical about it the member has said it works for him and that is all that is importantHave you been eating lots of healthy fruit?
The high fructose that leads to fatty liver disease and Type 2 through an increase in insulin resistance.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "cardiac performance" either. Has it improved after cutting back on sat fat? How measured.. I am genuinely interested although somewhat sceptical.
Why are you sceptical about it the member has said it works for him and that is all that is important
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