Diagnosed T2 a week ago.

Roy_Scobie

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Hi all, as the thread title says, I was diagnosed type2 a week ago today as a result of tests conducted for a different ailment. To say I was stunned by the diagnosis is a gross understatement! I only went to my GP with chronic heartburn! Along with the T2 I was also diagnosed with a stomach infection and an as yet unknown liver problem, for which I am having further tests done to clarify.

Having joined the forum a few days ago, I've spent my spare time browsing the various threads and picking up lots of information about T2 and would just like to say this forum is the bees knees! No doubt I'll have lots of questions in the near future so please be patient with me! :)

 

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Hello and welcome.. I would say glad to have you with us but quite a few of us never wanted to be here in the first place.
Although I would also say that being diagnosed has changed my life for the better and made me far healthier so watch out for that silver lining..
 

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Hi and welcome.

Not a good time for a T2 diagnosis and unknown liver problem just before Christmas, so my sympathies go out to you.

Many of us here looked upon our T2 diagnosis as the kick in the bum we needed to take control of our lives, exercise more, lose weight if needed, and regain our health. It is a shock but the shock goes, and you have done the best thing by finding this forum.

Ask all the questions you want, and when you do, tell us what your HbA1c was and if you have been prescribed any medication.
 

Roy_Scobie

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Hi and welcome.

Not a good time for a T2 diagnosis and unknown liver problem just before Christmas, so my sympathies go out to you.

Many of us here looked upon our T2 diagnosis as the kick in the bum we needed to take control of our lives, exercise more, lose weight if needed, and regain our health. It is a shock but the shock goes, and you have done the best thing by finding this forum.

Ask all the questions you want, and when you do, tell us what your HbA1c was and if you have been prescribed any medication.
Thanks Bluetit1802, I intend to treat my diagnosis exactly as you say....a good hard kick in the bum. :)

I followed advice I found on another thread and asked my clinic for a printout of my latest results today:
HbA1c - 86 mmol/mol
No medication as yet but I have appts with my GP and Practice Nurse on Friday so hopefully will know more then.
 

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Welcome Roy! I was diagnosed when I just went for an annual check up for another condition too. It’s a shock but this Forum soon got me focusing on what to do. I’m with Bulkbiker and Bluetit, since my diagnosis in May I’ve got a grip on my Type 2 and feel better than I have done for years. I’ll tag in @daisy1 who’ll post loads of useful info for you.
 

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Thanks Bluetit1802, I intend to treat my diagnosis exactly as you say....a good hard kick in the bum. :)

I followed advice I found on another thread and asked my clinic for a printout of my latest results today:
HbA1c - 86 mmol/mol
No medication as yet but I have appts with my GP and Practice Nurse on Friday so hopefully will know more then.

Great you have your print outs. You can also keep an eye on the other tests you had - see where your liver functions are causing concern, and how good or otherwise your cholesterol is (LDL/HDL/Triglycerides). On all future blood tests you can check to see what is improving. I'm a bit of a data freak and record all my blood test results on a spread sheet so I can see at a glance if I am stable, improving, or deteriorating. Did I say I was a data freak? :arghh:
 
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Welcome to the forum. If you have been lurking for a couple of days you have probably seen the post for newbies that @daisy1 gives. You will also know that we do not always agree among ourselves but offer our experience in answer to any questions for you to find the way that best fits you. We are all experts in our own bodies and situations, and like any gathering of experts there are more opinions than experts. So ask away, there is no such thing as a silly question if you really want to know, but don't expect a straightforward answer every time.
 

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Hi @Roy_Scobie and welcome to the forum. Your HbA1c of 86 mmol/L is on the high side and I expect your GP and Practice Nurse will suggest medication, probably Metafornin, when you see them on Friday.
It's up to you whether you want to go on meds. Your blood sugar levels can be reduced by cutting out or reducing sugar and starchy carbs. Many of us, some with higher figures than you, have reduced our HbA1c figures by adopting a Low Carbohydrate High Fat (LCHF) approach to eating.
If you don't want to go on meds you could suggest to your HCPs that you want to try to reduce your figures by diet and exercise before your 3 month retest.

It would be good to get a blood glucose meter to test how different foods affect you, and to monitor your progress.
The TEE2 is free with 10 free test strips, and additional strips are £7.75 for 50.
You can order one here: http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/
If you do order, remember to tick the box to say you are diabetic and you won't pay VAT.
 
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@Roy_Scobie

Hello Roy and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it interesting and useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 259,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

Roy_Scobie

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Hi @Roy_Scobie and welcome to the forum. Your HbA1c of 86 mmol/L is on the high side and I expect your GP and Practice Nurse will suggest medication, probably Metafornin, when you see them on Friday.
It's up to you whether you want to go on meds. Your blood sugar levels can be reduced by cutting out or reducing sugar and starchy carbs. Many of us, some with higher figures than you, have reduced our HbA1c figures by adopting a Low Carbohydrate High Fat (LCHF) approach to eating.
If you don't want to go on meds you could suggest to tour HCPs that you want to try to reduce your figures by diet and exercise before your 3 month retest.

It would be good to get a blood glucose meter to test how different foods affect you, and to monitor your progress.
The TEE2 is free with 10 free test strips, and additional strips are £7.75 for 50.
You can order one here: http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/
If you do order, remember to tick the box to say you are diabetic and you won't pay VAT.
Hi Prem51, and thanks for the advice. Unfortunately I already have heart disease (1 stent fitted) so a high fat diet is a no-go for me. I've already cut out most of the sugar and am now watching the carbs. It ain't easy though huh?!
As I'm in Scotland I believe I will get a free meter from my GP, not sure if the strips come free yet but will find out on Friday. I already have a long list of questions to ask my GP and DN, but I'm sure there will be something I've forgotten! :)
 
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Bluetit1802

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Hi Prem51, and thanks for the advice. Unfortunately I already have heart disease (1 stent fitted) so a high fat diet is a no-go for me. I've already cut out most of the sugar and am now watching the carbs. It ain't easy though huh?!
As I'm in Scotland I believe I will get a free meter from my GP, not sure if the strips come free yet but will find out on Friday. I already have a long list of questions to ask my GP and DN, but I'm sure there will be something I've forgotten! :)

There is no need to be high fat on a low carb diet. As long as you are getting enough energy (calories) to meet your personal needs that is all that is necessary.
 

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Hi. Yes, HF in LCHF means higher fat and not High Fat as such. Increasing the protein is also good. I'm not suggesting you go against your heart consultant's advice (or me my Cardioligist's advice to have more statins which I'm doing partly to keep him happy) but be aware of the discussions out there about fat. The evidence for sat fat increasing arterial deposits is very questionable. The liver makes most of the decisions about this and carbs are just as bad as fats, apparently. So keep up with the arguments out there by the experts so you have the best knowledge on diet.
 

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There are essential components in your diet, and carbs is not on the list - protein and fats are - your brain is made from lipids and your nerves have sheaths made from lipids to stop the signals going astray, so restricting natural fats is not all that good an idea.
I could possibly agree that eating fats and lots of carbs is not a good idea, because the carbs put the metabolism off balance, so anything could happen. However - the idea of 'bad fat' does seen to be rather problematic when you ask 'how true it that?' because no one checked, and the epidemic of illnesses which has arises since the low fat mantra began does seem to be too consistent to be coincidental.
At just over one year from diagnosis, I checked my blood glucose last night and it was 5.9 mmol/l. I checked it because I ate a bit of potato to see if I still don't like them. People do go on so much about their 'roasties' I thought that perhaps I was missing out - no, I'm not. Yech. Then I was wondering if it caused a rise in BG - well - if it did, it was not all that apparent.
I find that eating about 40 to 50 gm of carbs a day is putting me right back in the normal ranges for most things - but I still have to take the tablets for thyroid replacement, 'cos mine's broken.
 
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Roy_Scobie

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I'm learning a lot today as I come into this as a complete ignoramus :wideyed:

Thanks to each and every one of you for the info and advice.....looks like I have a lot of research and reading to do!
 
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welcome to the forum, and good luck with absorbing all the info! takes a little time, but it's worth sifting through all the advice and experimenting to find what works for you - we're all different. good luck :)
 

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I totally disagree with eating high fats is good for a diabetic.

There is strong evidence which suggests that saturated fat (lipotoxicity) is one of the causes of fatty liver and fatty pancreas which then leads to diabetes.

Best to avoid saturated fat like pork, fatty cuts of beef, cheese, coconut oil etc.

Healthy fats like nuts, avocado, olive oil, salmon and oily fish are best.
 

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There is strong evidence which suggests that saturated fat (lipotoxicity) is one of the causes of fatty liver and fatty pancreas which then leads to diabetes.
Not true.. please let us see the science..

Edit to add please don't quote me the rat studies with palm oil..
 

Roy_Scobie

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I totally disagree with eating high fats is good for a diabetic.

There is strong evidence which suggests that saturated fat (lipotoxicity) is one of the causes of fatty liver and fatty pancreas which then leads to diabetes.

Best to avoid saturated fat like pork, fatty cuts of beef, cheese, coconut oil etc.

Healthy fats like nuts, avocado, olive oil, salmon and oily fish are best.
I think you're spot on with this post, I've been doing a lot of research since my diagnosis and the vast majority of articles, trials etc I've found point to a direct link between saturated fats and liver disease. I've cut back massively on saturated fats in the last few years and am much healthier as a result. I'm not willing to undo all that good work for something that goes against 95% of scientific and medical opinion. Everyone to their own personal choice though!
 
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I've cut back massively on saturated fats in the last few years and am much healthier as a result

Sorry to be pedantic... but you have just been diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes...

If cutting back on sat fats has made you healthier......
 

Roy_Scobie

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Sorry to be pedantic... but you have just been diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes...

If cutting back on sat fats has made you healthier......
Cutting back drastically on saturated fats has improved my cardiac performance by a large margin. There's a good chance I wouldn't be alive today if I hadn't. If you have any credible evidence that this caused my diabetes I'd love to see it.
 
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