Diet and T2

[Melgar]

This is more of a rant than a question because I don't know where to post it. Why is it acceptable to think that D2 is down to poor diet or a sedentary lifestyle. I read it all the time on social media and I have had it from friends with their judgements. I am twisted in every direction when I read comments that imply D2 is down to poor diet and lack of exercise therefore we have been complicit in bringing on our D2. Yes I am having a bloody hard time dealing with it. Due to being completely intolerant of gluten, lactose and fructose and fats are a problem my life is stuck without being able to do the low carb diet. I am having an awful time of it. Sorry its just a real bad day.

 

[Antje77]

Why is it acceptable to think that D2 is down to poor diet or a sedentary lifestyle.

It isn't, not on this forum.
If it does happen (usually by newly diagnosed T2's who are blaming themselves, not others), our members are very quick to point out that it's not acceptable and that most T2's ate a completely normal diet before diagnosis.

Should it ever happen that a member tells another member that getting T2 is their own fault, the post will be deleted and possibly a Warning will be given.
Have a look at this thread, which has been started 12 years ago and still active. https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/dont-involve-yourself-in-the-blame-game.21894/

For what it's worth, I'm only a moderator on this forum, not on the whole internet thankfully, but whenever someone says something like that in one of the various T1 groups on facebook, I'm very quick to point out they are wrong and to please stop this damaging behaviour.

 

[Outlier]

You are among friends. I can get very exercised at the pervasive insistence that T2 is caused by greedy eating making people fat instead of the truth that it's usually the diabetes that makes us fat. Other people can eat loads of everything and not get diabetes, but not us - we have an illness not a lack of moral fibre. Even rather a lot of medicos push this erroneous idea.

So we can in most cases prove what idiots they are by benefiting from the advice given so freely here by people who have been there and done it and shared real knowledge. And a well-known gesture to all those mugs that think they know what they don't know and treat themselves to being judgemental. See it as mind over matter - we don't mind and their opinion doesn't matter.

 

[Deleted member 475901]

So doctors thought T2 was lifestyle/diet only but now we know there are certain genes that predispose some people to develop T2. This explains why others can eat a much worse diet yet not develop T2.
Now we just need to wait for years and years for this to filter through both the health service and the population.

 

[Deleted member 475901]

some links

Type 2 diabetes: Symptoms, early signs, and complications

Type 2 diabetes is the most common form of diabetes. Early diagnosis and treatment helps prevent complications. Learn more.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

Genetic evidence for a causal relationship between type 2 diabetes and peripheral artery disease in both Europeans and East Asians - BMC Medicine

Background Observational studies have revealed that type 2 diabetes (T2D) is associated with an increased risk of peripheral artery disease (PAD). However, whether the two diseases share a genetic basis and whether the relationship is causal remain unclear. It is also unclear as to whether these...

bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jdi.13970

 

[Lamont D]

This is more of a rant than a question because I don't know where to post it. Why is it acceptable to think that D2 is down to poor diet or a sedentary lifestyle. I read it all the time on social media and I have had it from friends with their judgements. I am twisted in every direction when I read comments that imply D2 is down to poor diet and lack of exercise therefore we have been complicit in bringing on our D2. Yes I am having a bloody hard time dealing with it. Due to being completely intolerant of gluten, lactose and fructose and fats are a problem my life is stuck without being able to do the low carb diet. I am having an awful time of it. Sorry its just a real bad day.

My condition is so restrictive dietary, that sometimes when I get a bit low, means that I can't have the benefits of enjoying one of my favourites, which I have always ate, a chip butty with ketchup. Which I haven't and for nearly fifteen years. I can't go into a bakers, because I can't eat anything in there.
I am carb intolerant, I'm not gluten intolerant but I am wheat intolerant, lactose intolerant and anything that is not fresh food will not get past my teeth. I can't use vegetable oils, I have to use meat fats to cook with.

So once again, I've just had a rant on top of your rant!
Love is bsd, then you.....!

I have battled my health problems because of hormonal response to food for over twenty yesrs. I won but pay the price of having to eat properly to maintain control of my BG levels.

It's hard, but worth it, if you get your health back and you can like I did, gain the knowledge necessary how to control your diabetes. Makes sense don't it?

Find out those foods that spike you too high, if necessary avoid them. Get your BG levels down into normal again. Cos that is where you will get on top of it.

 

[Melgar]

Thank you for your replies. I am so sorry , there seems to be so little I can eat without getting sick. I even have this worsening cornea dystrophy and I have to take a magnifying glass to the supermarket to read the ingredients in case there is gluten and gluten is in so many things. Life seems so challenging right now, and i know there are those far worse off. I know this site is safe and very supportive. I enjoy reading all the success stories. My diabetes is getting worse and there seems nothing I can do to fight back.

 

[Melgar]

some links

Type 2 diabetes: Symptoms, early signs, and complications

Type 2 diabetes is the most common form of diabetes. Early diagnosis and treatment helps prevent complications. Learn more.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

Genetic evidence for a causal relationship between type 2 diabetes and peripheral artery disease in both Europeans and East Asians - BMC Medicine

Background Observational studies have revealed that type 2 diabetes (T2D) is associated with an increased risk of peripheral artery disease (PAD). However, whether the two diseases share a genetic basis and whether the relationship is causal remain unclear. It is also unclear as to whether these...

bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jdi.13970

I love facts and science thanks for the links

 

[Melgar]

My condition is so restrictive dietary, that sometimes when I get a bit low, means that I can't have the benefits of enjoying one of my favourites, which I have always ate, a chip butty with ketchup. Which I haven't and for nearly fifteen years. I can't go into a bakers, because I can't eat anything in there.
I am carb intolerant, I'm not gluten intolerant but I am wheat intolerant, lactose intolerant and anything that is not fresh food will not get past my teeth. I can't use vegetable oils, I have to use meat fats to cook with.

So once again, I've just had a rant on top of your rant!
Love is bsd, then you.....!

I have battled my health problems because of hormonal response to food for over twenty yesrs. I won but pay the price of having to eat properly to maintain control of my BG levels.

It's hard, but worth it, if you get your health back and you can like I did, gain the knowledge necessary how to control your diabetes. Makes sense don't it?

Find out those foods that spike you too high, if necessary avoid them. Get your BG levels down into normal again. Cos that is where you will get on top of it.

I always enjoy reading your posts, not because of your challenges but how you have managed to overcome them, finding your mental and emotional strength. I must dig deep to overcome it. Some foods can spike one day and seem to rise very little the next. It does my head in. I love consistency and patterns and it doesn't make sense. I find comfort in consistency and
patterns.

 

[Resurgam]

I find it hard to be downhearted after eating steak cooked with onion, mushrooms with mashed swede and then a home made fruit jelly and real custard with cream. Coffee with cream to finish off, of course.
I might even feel just a little smug about it.

 

[Melgar]

You are among friends. I can get very exercised at the pervasive insistence that T2 is caused by greedy eating making people fat instead of the truth that it's usually the diabetes that makes us fat. Other people can eat loads of everything and not get diabetes, but not us - we have an illness not a lack of moral fibre. Even rather a lot of medicos push this erroneous idea.

So we can in most cases prove what idiots they are by benefiting from the advice given so freely here by people who have been there and done it and shared real knowledge. And a well-known gesture to all those mugs that think they know what they don't know and treat themselves to being judgemental. See it as mind over matter - we don't mind and their opinion doesn't matter.

They do my head in, they really do.

 

[Melgar]

I find it hard to be downhearted after eating steak cooked with onion, mushrooms with mashed swede and then a home made fruit jelly and real custard with cream. Coffee with cream to finish off, of course.
I might even feel just a little smug about it.

Yes I can eat steak. I can cook but I have to be always vigilant for the gluten.

 

[Melgar]

It isn't, not on this forum.
If it does happen (usually by newly diagnosed T2's who are blaming themselves, not others), our members are very quick to point out that it's not acceptable and that most T2's ate a completely normal diet before diagnosis.

Should it ever happen that a member tells another member that getting T2 is their own fault, the post will be deleted and possibly a Warning will be given.
Have a look at this thread, which has been started 12 years ago and still active. https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/dont-involve-yourself-in-the-blame-game.21894/

For what it's worth, I'm only a moderator on this forum, not on the whole internet thankfully, but whenever someone says something like that in one of the various T1 groups on facebook, I'm very quick to point out they are wrong and to please stop this damaging behaviour.

Thanks. I do love this site. I have learnt a lot. I am at a low ebb and I just want to give up sometimes.

 

[bulkbiker]

Yes I can eat steak. I can cook but I have to be always vigilant for the gluten.

Ever thought of trying pure carnivore?

 

[Lamont D]

So many different people coming on here looking for answers.
I have learned that, all we are here to do is encouraging our experience with our problems.
In the end, it is up to the poster, whether or not to accept our guidance, we are not always right.
But as in my numerous conditions, especially with the anxiety and depression, is to start asking the questions that can help the poster. That is the first step, asking, what I can do to ease symptoms?
Helping people is so cathartic, and seeing their steps to recovery can be so rewarding.

Since diagnosis and then discovering what my future would behold if I didn't, I relentlessly researched so much, I tested, experimented, tested, read, tested, wrote it all down, researched, tested, and more. I was influenced to do so by my endocrinologist and a certain person on this site. Together we got the RH forum sorted. Obviously with the help of the forum people who run the site.

In the end it is only the poster themselves can do what is needed to be done. Only you can fix you, with help from the experience and expertise of others.

Best wishes.

 

[AndBreathe]

Thank you for your replies. I am so sorry , there seems to be so little I can eat without getting sick. I even have this worsening cornea dystrophy and I have to take a magnifying glass to the supermarket to read the ingredients in case there is gluten and gluten is in so many things. Life seems so challenging right now, and i know there are those far worse off. I know this site is safe and very supportive. I enjoy reading all the success stories. My diabetes is getting worse and there seems nothing I can do to fight back.

To be honest, I thought when my Endo strongly recommended GF to me it’d be a breeze, bearing in mind I was ready a longer standing low carber. Frankly, the GF part was, for me, much harder than low carb.

When diagnosed, I was about (in 3 weeks) to go on a long trip overseas, so just had to crack on. In my real world life, not many know I have T2. What do they care? They’re mainly too busy concerned for their own, or their family’s ails.

When I modified my diet and they enquired, I told them I’d had some bloods done and it looked like certain things in my diet weren’t doing me any favours, so I was cutting them out or down. They soon just saw it as normal.

I’m now over 9 years in and still haven’t told many folks. They don’t need to know.

 

[Melgar]

Ever thought of trying pure carnivore?

An interesting thought, I think I would quickly become constipated without fibre. I swing from constipation to diarrhea at the moment.

 

[Melgar]

To be honest, I thought when my Endo strongly recommended GF to me it’d be a breeze, bearing in mind I was ready a longer standing low carber. Frankly, the GF part was, for me, much harder than low carb.

When diagnosed, I was about (in 3 weeks) to go on a long trip overseas, so just had to crack on. In my real world life, not many know I have T2. What do they care? They’re mainly too busy concerned for their own, or their family’s ails.

When I modified my diet and they enquired, I told them I’d had some bloods done and it looked like certain things in my diet weren’t doing me any favours, so I was cutting them out or down. They soon just saw it as normal.

I’m now over 9 years in and still haven’t told many folks. They don’t need to know.

OMG yes. The gluten thing is absolutely doing a number on me. I feel moody and I'm not a particularly moody individual. I feel utterly powerless. And the gluten intolerance, although not new, has for some reason increased recently to a point where if a tiny bit of gluten containing food even touches mine I am sick for several days. It makes controlling my diabetes that much harder and then I feel a mixture of anger of hopelessness. I feel judged even likely when I'm not. I will be on meds no doubt, and to be honest at least it will bring my sugars down. I have been keeping a lid on my sugars until now and I see them slowly going up. It's an upward trend and sheesh I have even put on weight. blah. People have it worse so I try and always think about that.

 

[Melgar]

So many different people coming on here looking for answers.
I have learned that, all we are here to do is encouraging our experience with our problems.
In the end, it is up to the poster, whether or not to accept our guidance, we are not always right.
But as in my numerous conditions, especially with the anxiety and depression, is to start asking the questions that can help the poster. That is the first step, asking, what I can do to ease symptoms?
Helping people is so cathartic, and seeing their steps to recovery can be so rewarding.

Since diagnosis and then discovering what my future would behold if I didn't, I relentlessly researched so much, I tested, experimented, tested, read, tested, wrote it all down, researched, tested, and more. I was influenced to do so by my endocrinologist and a certain person on this site. Together we got the RH forum sorted. Obviously with the help of the forum people who run the site.

In the end it is only the poster themselves can do what is needed to be done. Only you can fix you, with help from the experience and expertise of others.

Best wishes.

And so much of it is mental health and a positive outlook. And then sometimes you just want to scream your head off and say why me.

 

[Melgar]

And so much of it is mental health and a positive outlook. And then sometimes you just want to scream your head off and say why me.

Nobody deserves to have a chronic condition and nobody deserves to be judged for it and you see so much judging on social media. This site is an oasis of supportiveness and helping people to adapt and overcome when things look dark and insurmountable.