Do we need fat in our diet?

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Following on from a different discussion, where the idea of a vegan diet with no fats was mooted, I would like to know more about the role of fat in our everyday diet please.

Not so much from a heart health point of view, a there are many thread about that.

More from the stance of are fats vital for our bodies and what happens if we dont eat enough, or cut them out of our diet.
 

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One of the essentials I think. However, like Lucylocket I'm not sure why exactly. Could someone explain why - I mean, I eat the stuff, add it to cooking, smother my crumpets and tea-cakes with it, and could eat peanut butter out of the jar but I don't know medically why I need fats.
 
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One of the essentials I think. However, like Lucylocket I'm not sure why exactly. Could someone explain why - I mean, I eat the stuff, add it to cooking, smother my crumpets and tea-cakes with it, and could eat peanut butter out of the jar but I don't know medically why I need fats.

In a nutshell, we are made from fat and protein. Dietary fat is crucial for building cell membranes and allowing hormone production as well as the absorption of fat soluble vitamins. Anyone aiming for a zero fat diet is going to be rather unhealthy. Or dead.
 

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Thank you. I am grateful for the info.
 
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Two links on fat :-

www.menshealth.com/nutrition/a19518117/reduced-fat-foods-making-you-fat/

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Page contents
  1. Why we need some fat
  2. Saturated fats
  3. Saturated fat guidelines
  4. Trans fats
  5. Unsaturated fats
  6. Buying lower fat foods
Fat: the facts

Too much fat in your diet, especially saturated fats, can raise your cholesterol, which increases the risk of heart disease.

Current UK government guidelines advise cutting down on all fats and replacing saturated fat with some unsaturated fat.

Why we need some fat
A small amount of fat is an essential part of a healthy, balanced diet. Fat is a source of essential fatty acids, which the body can't make itself.

Fat helps the body absorb vitamins A, D and E. These vitamins are fat-soluble, meaning they can only be absorbed with the help of fats.

Any fat not used by your body's cells or to create energy is converted into body fat. Likewise, unused carbohydrate and protein are also converted into body fat.

All types of fat are high in energy. A gram of fat, whether saturated or unsaturated, provides 9kcal (37kJ) of energy compared with 4kcal (17kJ) for carbohydrate and protein.

The main types of fat found in food are:

  • saturated fats
  • unsaturated fats
Most fats and oils contain both saturated and unsaturated fats in different proportions.

As part of a healthy diet, we should try to cut down on foods and drinks high in saturated fats and trans fats, and replace some of them with unsaturated fats.

Saturated fats
Saturated fats are found in many foods, both sweet and savoury. Most of them come from animal sources, including meat and dairy products, as well as some plant foods, like palm oil and coconut oil.

Foods high in saturated fats
  • fatty cuts of meat
  • meat products, including sausages and pies
  • butter, ghee and lard
  • cheese, especially hard cheese like cheddar
  • cream, soured cream and ice cream
  • some savoury snacks, like cheese crackers and some popcorns
  • chocolate confectionery
  • biscuits, cakes and pastries
  • palm oil
  • coconut oil and coconut cream
Cholesterol and sat fats
Cholesterol is mostly made by the body in the liver.

It's carried in the blood as:

  • low-density lipoprotein (LDL)
  • high-density lipoprotein (HDL)
Too much saturated fats in your diet can raise LDL cholesterol in the blood, which can increase the risk of heart disease and stroke.

HDL cholesterol has a positive effect by taking cholesterol from parts of the body where there's too much of it to the liver, where it's disposed of.

Saturated fat guidelines
Most people in the UK eat too much saturated fats.

The government recommends that:

  • men shouldn't have more than 30g of saturated fat a day
  • women shouldn't have more than 20g of saturated fat a day
  • children should have less
Trans fats
Trans fats are found naturally at low levels in some foods, such as meat and dairy products.

Trans fats can also be found in hydrogenated vegetable oil. Hydrogenated vegetable oil must be declared on a food's ingredients list if present.

Like saturated fats, trans fats can raise cholesterol levels in the blood.

The government recommends that:

  • adults shouldn't have more than about 5g of trans fats a day
But most people in the UK don't eat a lot of trans fats. On average, we eat about half the recommended maximum.

Most of the supermarkets in the UK have removed hydrogenated vegetable oil from all their own-brand products.

We eat a lot more saturated fats than trans fats. This means that when looking at the amount of fat in your diet, it's more important to focus on reducing the amount of saturated fats.

Unsaturated fats
If you want to cut your risk of heart disease, it's best to reduce your overall fat intake and swap saturated fats for unsaturated fats.

There's good evidence that replacing saturated fats with some unsaturated fats can help lower cholesterol.

Found primarily in oils from plants and fish, unsaturated fats can be either polyunsaturated or monounsaturated.

Monounsaturated fats
Monounsaturated fats help protect our hearts by maintaining levels of good HDL cholesterol while reducing levels of bad LDL cholesterol.

Monounsaturated fats are found in:

  • olive oil, rapeseed oil and their spreads
  • avocados
  • some nuts, such as almonds, brazils and peanuts
Polyunsaturated fats can help lower the level of LDL cholesterol.

There are two main types of polyunsaturated fats: omega-3 and omega-6.

Some types of omega-3 and omega-6 fats can't be made by the body and are therefore essential in small amounts in the diet.

Omega-6 fats are found in vegetable oils, such as:

  • rapeseed
  • corn
  • sunflower
  • some nuts
Omega-3 fats are found in oily fish, such as:

  • mackerel
  • kippers
  • herring
  • trout
  • sardines
  • salmon
Most of us get enough omega-6 in our diet, but we're advised to have more omega-3 by eating at least two portions of fish a week, including one of oily fish.

Vegetable sources of omega-3 fats aren't thought to have the same benefits on heart health as those found in fish.

Buying lower fat foods
The nutrition labels on food packaging can help you cut down on total fat and saturated fat (also listed as "saturates", or "sat fat").

Nutrition information can be presented in different ways on the front and back of packs.

Total fat
  • high fat – more than 17.5g of fat per 100g
  • low fat – 3g of fat or less per 100g, or 1.5g of fat per 100ml for liquids (1.8g of fat per 100ml for semi-skimmed milk)
  • fat-free – 0.5g of fat or less per 100g or 100ml
Saturated fat
  • high in sat fat – more than 5g of saturates per 100g
  • low in sat fat – 1.5g of saturates or less per 100g or 0.75g per 100ml for liquids
  • sat fat-free – 0.1g of saturates per 100g or 100ml
'Lower fat' labels
For a product to be labelled lower fat, reduced fat, lite or light, it has to contain at least 30% less fat than a similar product.

But if the type of food in question is high in fat in the first place, the lower fat version may also still be high in fat (17.5g or more of fat per 100g).

For example, a lower fat mayonnaise is 30% lower in fat than the standard version, but is still high in fat.

These foods also aren't necessarily low in calories. Sometimes the fat is replaced with sugar and may end up with a similar energy content.

To be sure of the fat content and the energy content, remember to check the nutrition label on the packet.

Cutting down on fat is only one aspect of achieving a healthy diet. Find out more about how to get a balanced nutritious diet in the Eatwell Guide.

Use the Be Food Smart app to compare products and get ideas on how to make healthy choices.

Page last reviewed: 01/05/2017
Next review due: 01/05/2020




Dietary fats are essential to give your body energy and to support cell growth. They also help protect your organs and help keep your body warm. Fats help your body absorb some nutrients and produce important hormones, too. Your body definitely needs fat.
 
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I would imagine it is challenging to eat any diet without some fat.
How do you cook your mushrooms without olive oil (or rapeseed or sunflower or ...)?
Even if you are a raw vegan, aren't nuts a common source of protein? And they are also high in fat.

But @porl69 you can keep your bacon fat :)
 
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Speaking only for myself, the NHS are the last organisation on the planet that I would be taking dietary advice from, particularly when it comes to macronutrient composition and the roles of natural fats vs. industrial lubricants (polyunsaturated seed oils).

Don’t get me wrong, the NHS is full of wonderful and well meaning individuals, but their collective dietary advice is not something I would stand behind. Putting it politely.
 

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I think it would be impossible to eat a zero fat diet. Simply impossible.

Even oats, which most of us would think were zero fat, actually have 8g of fat per 100g
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/268588694
Nutrition
Typical Values Typical Values Per 100g
Energy 1565 kJ 626 kJ 994 kJ
- 374 kcal 150 kcal 237 kcal (12%*)
Fat 8.0 g
of which Saturates 1.5 g
Carbohydrate 60 g
of which Sugars** 1.1 g
Fibre 9.0 g
Protein 11 g
Salt 0

That is approx 72 calories out of 272 in oats coming from the fat, which is over a quarter of the energy in oats coming from fat.

Likewise Tofu has
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/266727466
Nutrition
Typical Values Typical Values (as sold) Per 100g (as sold) Per 1/4 pack
Energy 494kJ 489kJ
- 118kcal 117kcal
Fat 7.1g
of which saturates 1.2g
Carbohydrate 1.0g
of which sugars 0.7g
Fibre 1.9g
Protein 12.6g
Salt 0.03g

Therefore fat makes up approx one 16th of the calories in tofu, which is considered a 'low fat' food.

So the idea of a zero fat diet is a nonsense.

I think that the various ideas put forward in the vegan community about avoiding fat are for a way of eating where added fat is kept to a minimum.

This is much more doable, and still allows adequate fat intake from items like avocados, nuts and seeds.
It would certainly allow the essential omegas to be included in the diet, although I would have to do some research and number crunching to discover how much of what was needed to hit the RDAs.
 
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I would imagine it is challenging to eat any diet without some fat.
How do you cook your mushrooms without olive oil (or rapeseed or sunflower or ...)?
Even if you are a raw vegan, aren't nuts a common source of protein? And they are also high in fat.

But @porl69 you can keep your bacon fat :)

Sometimes I cook my mushrooms in water if I add them too bolognese or risotto, but as a side dish, I normally cook them in olive oil and butter :hungry:
 

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How do you cook your mushrooms without olive oil (or rapeseed or sunflower or ...)?
I'll take this one - I always chuck them in the pan and they release their own liquid during cooking. Never add any oil for them. :D
 

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When I was on my twenty year long low fat/high carb diet (the one when I didn't lose any weight, was eventually diagnosed with T2 and the continuation of which I was still on when i was put on insulin) I used to grill mushrooms or simmer them in stock or a mixture of water lime juice and garlic.

They are much nicer fried in butter or dripping.
 

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Does nothing for the flavour to me. A chunk of butter does for the scrambled eggs they're usually on top of however.
 
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OK @db89 and @Robinredbreast perhaps mushrooms wasn't such a great idea.
What about roasting potatoes without fat?
I was going to ask about cooking onions and then remembered my MIL boils these ... and loses all the flavour.

And then there's the good ole avocado which is high in fat.

I'll go back under my rock, stop arguing and try to do some work for the next hour or so :)
 
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Just not the prime example I think @helensaramay :) Of course we all eat and cook with fat where appropriate and without it we wouldn't be able to work with fatty acids and things would go wrong.

Boiling onions?! As someone who enjoys them raw I can't stomach that concept.
 

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In a nutshell, we are made from fat and protein. Dietary fat is crucial for building cell membranes and allowing hormone production as well as the absorption of fat soluble vitamins. Anyone aiming for a zero fat diet is going to be rather unhealthy. Or dead.
So how do we reconcile that with this?

“Almost 99% of the mass of the human body is made up of six elements: oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus. Only about 0.85% is composed of another five elements: potassium, sulfur, sodium, chlorine, and magnesium. All 11 are necessary for life.”
 
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So how do we reconcile that with this?

“Almost 99% of the mass of the human body is made up of six elements: oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus. Only about 0.85% is composed of another five elements: potassium, sulfur, sodium, chlorine, and magnesium. All 11 are necessary for life.”

I did say in a nutshell. Specifically cell membranes are made from fat. Either way we will die if we don’t consume it.
 
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OK @db89 and @Robinredbreast perhaps mushrooms wasn't such a great idea.
What about roasting potatoes without fat?
I was going to ask about cooking onions and then remembered my MIL boils these ... and loses all the flavour.

And then there's the good ole avocado which is high in fat.

I'll go back under my rock, stop arguing and try to do some work for the next hour or so :)

Roasties have to be cooked in lard, my mum did this and I still do :) but don't have roasties often. I also sometimes cook sliced onion in water, but I don't boil them, a gentle heat until just cooked.
MIL must boil the life out of them lol o_O