xyzzy
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lucylocket61 said:Thanks. I got confused with this bit:
I still think that's a valid position to promote to a new person as they have to be pointed in a direction away from "starchy carbs" but still feel confident when they read the new advice that its coming from a reliable and trustworthy source.
and I think I misread the 'new advice' bit and thought that Daisy1's advice was not up-to-date and was being replaced with new stuff.![]()
Its been a long day.......
I'll try and make that a bit clearer. So...
New T2 member arrives with their first post. In my head it then goes likes this...
1) Am I sure they really sound like a correctly diagnosed T2 if so...
2) Must warn them off 50% total carbs of which 33% must be starchy ones as that will hurt them
3) Tell them to cut out sugar and at least half starchy carbs as a simple portion control method to get them going.
4) Tell them to replace the difference with list of food stuffs the Swedes recommend (i.e a trustworthy source)
5) Point out advice in 3) & 4) is what would be given by another modern health service (i.e a trustworthy source)
6) Point out everyone is different and they may need to go up or down from half starchy carbs.
7) Mention 130g as a good start as 130g is the latest American recommendation so again is a trustworthy source.
8 ) Nod to GI by mentioning swap to "brown" rice, pasta etc but secondary advice to cut carbs.
9 ) Nod to VLC by mentioning some people can give up meds and "the trustworthy source" doesn't say no
10) Introduce carb counting as a concept.
11) Introduce importance of testing and meters.
12) Introduce importance of safe levels ( 8.5, 7.8 ) and why those numbers are trustworthy.
My aim is to get the new member to swap diet as quickly as possible as that will get their levels down the fastest. As I've said previously to me safe levels take priority over any diet and to do that a simple "cut carbs" message is by far the most effective one and all of us should not have a problem in pushing that message.
So again relating that back to the Daisy text. If it were to change to me it should not be quite so shy in pushing the "cut carbs if you're a T2" message as nowadays it doesn't need to be shy as there are trustworthy sources it could refer to that back up that standpoint IF you look at the treatment of T2D in global terms not just UK terms.
Finally if the answer in my head to 1) is "I'm am not sure" or what they say in their post doesn't match the details they say about themselves on their account then will say "Can't offer any dietary advice but talk to your gp cos it sounds like.... ... c-peptide, GAD, ketones, urine test etc, age, not overweight"