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Eating in the right order?

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Anyone heard of this?
Anyone doing it?
Anyone tell me their results?
I start today.
 
Would be interested to see how it goes for you.

I tried it, about a week eating in the 'correct' order and a week eating in the 'wrong' order and I didn't notice any difference either way.

I heard about it from one of Tom Vesely's videos at https://www.youtube.com/@TypeOneTalks and he said it worked for him.

Not a fan of the GG and from what i can tell the 'scientific backed' studies she mentions consisted of a few studies and I just scanned them to see how many people where involved and some where in single figures and the most I seen was 16.
 
I don't see how it possibly could given that we have a stomach not a conveyer belt, but I could well be wrong and will be very interested in seeing your results and conclusions.
 
Outlier said:
I don't see how it possibly could given that we have a stomach not a conveyer belt, but I could well be wrong and will be very interested in seeing your results and conclusions.
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But we don't just have a stomach we have a pretty complex digestive system.
If we eat the carbs on our plate first they will start to be digested first and converted to glucose fairly rapidly causing spike.
If we eat fibre first... veg it starts to be digested slowly. second comes the protein... eggs fish cheese that sort of thing which finds it cannot be digested as quickly because there's slowly digesting fibre in the way.
Then we eat meats and fats and last of all the carbs... like a piece of bread to mop up the gravy but the carbs will now be digested slo0wly because of everything else that's going on.
Same with other carbs such as pasta rice etc
The video explains it much better.
A starter used to be veg like toms lettuce and onions... the fibre.
 
Outlier said:
I don't see how it possibly could given that we have a stomach not a conveyer belt, but I could well be wrong and will be very interested in seeing your results and conclusions.
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It is more like a conveyor belt than a bucket.
 
I find that limiting / balancing the amount of carbs and protein I eat in the first place gives me the best results.

In my view sequencing food is a micro optimisation (can give you an extra edge if you are already doing the right things), and I find it works for me in two different ways: a) it slows down the digestion of more 'spiky' foods - the spike might be less pronounced but it seems to last longer and b) because I fill myself up with fibre, protein and fat first I'm less inclined to indulge in eating anything too carb heavy and am more than content with smaller controlled portions of carbs.
 
Been trying this but not seen any measurable results on testing - still had a spike that lasted for a couple of hours from a Sunday lunch yesterday and that was without any starch based carbs such as potatoes.
 
Popsickle12 said:
It was daft question but thank you for taking the time to answer.
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There are no daft questions. I'm attaching my CGM graph from today showing impact of my one meal a day following food sequencing approach with having most carb heavy part (roast peppers) last. I had a meal at 17:00, my initial spike seemed to initially peak at 2h after meal and then I had another spike lasting another 2h on top of that. I interpret this to be a result of slowed down digestion. I would normally spread my daily carbs (20g net) over two meals keeping the spikes in check, but today I had my full allowance in one sitting. How your body reacts to this will be unique to you.
 

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Particularly if you can access a CGM, try everything and see what your body does.
Personally I really like Jesse Inchaupe, her book is really touching, and it's a unique perspective, based on maths rather than medical training. I have absolutely no doubt myself that it makes a difference... but she is now selling a lifestyle, and that lifestyle is more.. you can have it all if you follow my food hacks; as opposed to, if you do this you can reverse your type 2..

So, I see some of this as.. yes it's bound to make a difference, but better not to eat the carbs in the first place.

That said, I'm now a big fan of Apple Cider Vinegar, purely thanks to her...

But, yes, it's good insight, just see it in the round, it's not THE answer..
 
This concept of eating specific foods in a particular order is not new. I first encountered it on diagnosis more than twenty years ago. Type 2 is a very individual disorder and we're all different, but this strategy made absolutely no difference
to me.

This wonderful forum did not exist then, but by keeping a careful record of meals and BG readings, I found that reducing carb intake overall was the strategy that worked best. Keeping to three square meals a day at near enough the same times, so that no snacks between meals were needed, helped me too. Also I don't eat any later than 7.00 pm these days if i can help it.
 
TheSecretCarbAddict said:
There are no daft questions. I'm attaching my CGM graph from today showing impact of my one meal a day following food sequencing approach with having most carb heavy part (roast peppers) last. I had a meal at 17:00, my initial spike seemed to initially peak at 2h after meal and then I had another spike lasting another 2h on top of that. I interpret this to be a result of slowed down digestion. I would normally spread my daily carbs (20g net) over two meals keeping the spikes in check, but today I had my full allowance in one sitting. How your body reacts to this will be unique to you.
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That’s very interesting indeed. I don’t have a CGM and I don’t think I warrant one, and hopefully won’t as I hope to reduce my HbA1c of 42 by diet. Cheers.
 
sgm14 said:
Would be interested to see how it goes for you.

I tried it, about a week eating in the 'correct' order and a week eating in the 'wrong' order and I didn't notice any difference either way.

I heard about it from one of Tom Vesely's videos at https://www.youtube.com/@TypeOneTalks and he said it worked for him.

Not a fan of the GG and from what i can tell the 'scientific backed' studies she mentions consisted of a few studies and I just scanned them to see how many people where involved and some where in single figures and the most I seen was 16.
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I tried her method and also saw no difference..
 
I don't understand why people try to cheat low carb - just don't eat the carbs and you won't get the spike. Eat something to block the digetsion of the carbs, or drink(low carb alcohol) and you push the reation to the carbs out a few hrs to when youre not expecting it. What good does that do you?
 
It's a hell of a good question.

One answer is ...people... we are all human; and looking for a way to game the system is about the most human thing possible, I know I've been there, done that.

Another answer is to do with the language we use - low carb, high fat, carnivore, plant-based, low calorie.. it's really much more about the effect on insulin.

And my best guess is that an honest conversation about insulin is so dangerous for the profit margins of so many corporations, that making sure we're all confused is the best strategy. Article after well meaning article... some truth, some nonsense, some random associations, but almost never consistent advice that centers on insulin.

200 years ago, we knew that "sugars and starches are fattening" (Gary Taubes, but it was on audiobook, so I can't find quickly the 18th century book it was quoted from).

Now, there's kind of a vague sense that it'll be fine as long as you have a pomegranate seed every now and again.

I don't mean that to be critical of anyone's choices (hell, I even like pomegranate seeds) - just that it takes so much work to have a real sense of whether that choice is actually a good one or not.
 
No difference whatsoever!
I don't really eat high carb meals so much so maybe it only works if you do.
Little experiment ended.
ianf0ster said:
I don't understand why people try to cheat low carb - just don't eat the carbs and you won't get the spike. Eat something to block the digetsion of the carbs, or drink(low carb alcohol) and you push the reation to the carbs out a few hrs to when youre not expecting it. What good does that do you?
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JTL said:
No difference whatsoever!
I don't really eat high carb meals so much so maybe it only works if you do.
Little experiment ended.
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ianf0ster said:
I don't understand why people try to cheat low carb - just don't eat the carbs and you won't get the spike. Eat something to block the digetsion of the carbs, or drink(low carb alcohol) and you push the reation to the carbs out a few hrs to when youre not expecting it. What good does that do you?
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But that's not how it works.
The idea isn't to delay the carbs turning to glucose it's to slow it down so the glucose is created over a longer period of time therefore not spiking.
 
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