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For those worried about cholesterol levels..

I had a near miss along these lines when a Registrar prescribed the chemo regime I would be following. I knew it was the wrong one for my particular type of breast cancer, because I had looked up the protocols. I was going to contact the chief oncologist about it but was beaten to it as he was checking all the prescriptions and saw the mistake for himself. So all was well. Not all doctors know it all. It is always wise to check for yourself. Knowledge is power.
I have checked though, two Cardiologists and 4 doctors. I always check. You also have had a bad experience as a couple on here have which I am sorry for, but I know two friends and one aunt who had breast cancer and received marvellous treatment from the NHS. I will always be open to being skeptical over this high fat diet..I will not do that. I do Keto but with healthy fats such as Salmon, Olive Oil, Olives, nuts even though they can make me feel a little sick, lean chicken and plenty of veg, eggs and some cheese, salad.I ate quite a load of fat from meat before the heart attack because I loved fat, and it did not protect me from having a heart attack, oh and my cholesterol was high also. Two other people that I know who had heart problems, one was my husband's sister, the other his mother's friend, both ate loads of meat and the fat, both had high |Cholesterol. One did not eat pies or cakes as she did not have a very sweet tooth..When I was in the ward after having my heart attack, guess what race was the most people in the ICU cardiac ward? Asians, the reason being is because they eat foods high in fat, especially clarified butter and coconut oil. Indians also have a very high rate of heart problems.Chinese on the other hand have a lower rate of heart problems in China and they eat very little meat,but the way that they cook is healthy.Here, on the other hand, they cook for the Western pallet. Although I am a little skeptical I am open to all that I learn, whether NHS or any other
 
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Just goes to show that women have an unfair advantage.:bigtears:

From a totally unscientific viewpoint women seem predisposed to carry more body fat (secondary sexual characteristics) so perhaps they have evolved to be more tolerant of high fat including in the blood?

All this is of little consolation to those of my friends with familial hypercholesterolaemia who have clogged arteries and need stents or surgery. I do wonder if in these cases it is the type of cholesterol which is the problem not the total amount.
Yes. Me producing too much testosterone may be a disadvantaged woman too.
 
All I know is my doc when I had my yearly blood tests, last one 3 months ago results, my doc said that I was 4.1 total, and all cholesterol was good, so I assume he meant the LDL one also.
Mine is a steady 4.1 with average 3.9 being hdl.
My cardiology scans showed 19 for calcium score and mild heart disease. Mild atherosclerosis at angiogram proceedure. Most plaque on lad artery in heart.
 
Mine is a steady 4.1 with average 3.9 being hdl.
My cardiology scans showed 19 for calcium score and mild heart disease. Mild atherosclerosis at angiogram proceedure. Most plaque on lad artery in heart.
I do not know how old you are, but as we age it is quite common to have calcium build up from 50 or 60 onwards. Even Thyroid diseases are related. Perhaps if your Cholesterol was high it would be worse? who knows
 
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You also have had a bad experience as a couple on here have which I am sorry for, but I know two friends and one aunt who had breast cancer and received marvellous treatment from the NHS.

I didn't have a bad experience and I received first class care from the NHS with my breast cancer. I sing their praises constantly. It was just the one oncology registrar who made a dreadful mistake, which thank goodness both I and the consultant oncologist noticed. My point is that putting faith in all doctors can be a costly mistake. Since that time I check and double check every medication that is offered to me, request copies of all lab reports, post surgery and biopsy lab reports, letters from the hospital to my GP, and all test results.
 
<snip> We are not doctors or professors.

I suspect that some on here have a background in science to degree level and beyond, and so have the basic training to at least interpret the studies and comment.
 
I suspect that some on here have a background in science to degree level and beyond, and so have the basic training to at least interpret the studies and comment.
Not sure about that, but so have the NHS consultants and medical staff. I have an open mind and am willing to listen to NHS and people that I research,also to people on here.
 
I didn't have a bad experience and I received first class care from the NHS with my breast cancer. I sing their praises constantly. It was just the one oncology registrar who made a dreadful mistake, which thank goodness both I and the consultant oncologist noticed. My point is that putting faith in all doctors can be a costly mistake. Since that time I check and double check every medication that is offered to me, request copies of all lab reports, post surgery and biopsy lab reports, letters from the hospital to my GP, and all test results.

I am the same with an Ooncologist othaat when I phoned to say I was ill and neededa to see him -actually speeaking to him in person on phone-he told me to speak to his secretary on the Monday. Hos secretary told me to see gp. That night I almost died from poisoning.

When the oncologist saw me he said "you didnt sound ill!!!"....

There was a chap in room that hadnt introduced himself. I asked who he waa. He was the chief superintendent of oncology. Why would he be there, but to cover hospitals ass???

When the oncologist stood over my husband and me arguing the chief had to step in and get him to feturn to his seat.....

I was very seriously ill and got subjected to appalling care.

The oncologist sent me at one point to the chemist at hospital to collect a prescription - he couldnt even write that out correctly! Chief had to sort that out too.

I begged for 15 months to have and 3 hospitals to get my uniboob removed that was supposedly healthy. Christmas I wrote to a Professor. He removed it in April and it wasnt heakthy!

Add to that my lical secondary hospital sending diabetes manager out to my home for 4 hours and admitting I had more knowledge on pumps than them and saying they did not have the experience to deal with my diabetes problems, then you should be able to see why some people lose confidence with some medics...

I fight for my health, not the NHS or hospitals. Big difference.
 
Not sure about that, but so have the NHS consultants and medical staff. I have an open mind and am willing to listen to NHS and people that I research,also to people on here.

I am sure about that.

I know for a fact that at least one poster has an Honours Degree in Biology.

@Southport GP might be quoted as an example of a Doctor (medical) who posts to this board.
 
I used to be in awe of doctors and nurses, anyone who had trained for many years must be right 100% of the time, right? Having been a bit of a gypsy most of my life I have had a fair few GPs and had appts at many hospitals and with consultants etc. I learned early on that there are excellent HCPs in the field of medicine. And there are the others. I no longer take prescription drugs without looking at the contraindications and the side effects myself. A GP, no matter how good or how altruistic, can possibly know the full medical history of all patients on his list. An excellent GP is the one who learns to listen to his/her patient and, sometimes more importantly, he/she knows the right questions to ask. A time poor NHS means that some professionals bemoan the impossible pressures put upon them to see, diagnose and treat patients and so make the choice to leave thereby putting even more pressure on the system.
A lot of the problems stem from poor management and equally poor funding and yet we still have a service that is the envy of most of the world. But for how much longer?
 
I am sure about that.

I know for a fact that at least one poster has an Honours Degree in Biology.

@Southport GP might be quoted as an example of a Doctor (medical) who posts to this board.
He may have an Honours Degree etc, but so have the people who work in the NHS and other medical professions. I think that we must have a balance. Some people will fair well with the NHS and others may not, it is the same with Private care also. I think whoever people are with NHS or Private ETC somebody will always have an unfortunate experience or a good experience. I look at all aspects and just hope that I am choosing the right path.
 
Aaah but are those persons that fair badly with nhs also being treated badly in private care. Look at that rogue breast surgeon. Nhs and private....
 
My motto when it comes to health care professionals is "trust but verify", having been burned a few times when blindly trusting them.

Absolutely.
Having been prescribed drugs known to interact, i now check everything before taking them.
And after being told 'only type 1s need to test blood glucose', and 'you MUST eat bread and other carbs' I now verify everything to weed out the other idiocies they may try to spoonfeed.
I also want to see all my own test results. 'Its fine' really doesn't cut it any more.
 
As I hope most low Carbers are aware, Dave Feldman should have the results of his 2 studies on 'Lean Mass Hyper Responders' ready for publication in about 1yr's time, but meanwhile here is a video about a recent analysis of prior studies on Cholesterol and CVD etc. by some Low Carber MDs and PHDs.

Amongst other things it breaks down results by age
shows the difference in what the Statin studies report (Relative Risk) and what we incorrectly take that to mean (Absolute Risk)
Gives more details as to Statin side effects including brain fog - which can lead to Alzheimers diagnosis but are apparently considered minor!

It's entitled 'High Cholesterol is Healthy!' :
 
Tweet by Prof David Diamond:








David Diamond

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In the past several years, editors have been sending manuscripts on diet and heart disease to me as a part of the peer-review process. I've been honored to be seen as an expert worthy of providing input to editors as to whether a manuscript deserves to be published. The below text in bold/italics is a subset of a review I wrote recently in which I evaluated a manuscript written by authors who promoted the DASH diet and were critical of low carb diets and red meat consumption, and they promoted the perspective that high LDL causes CVD. I've removed any mention of the authors' names, as well as the journal identifier. The essence of my review (below) may be of value for those who wonder about misinformation on LDL, heart disease and diet.

My review: "The idea that the first stage of atherosclerosis is the accumulation of LDL-C is not supported by a broader assessment of the literature. If high LDL-C simply gains access to the artery wall, thereby choking off the artery and causing premature CVD death, then all people with high LDL-C should die prematurely of CVD. Whether one reads the older [1] or recent [2] literature, one finds that people with familial hypercholesterolemia (FH) have a normal lifespan. Indeed, after 70 years of age, people with FH have a lower rate of CVD events and mortality than the general population [2].

Smokers and hypertensives have a far higher rate of events than healthy FH people, so a vulnerability factor must precede LDL accumulation in the artery wall to increase CVD events and mortality. Population studies also demonstrate that people with the highest LDL live as long, or even longer, than people with lower LDL [3]. The fact that diabetics with uncontrolled elevated blood glucose have an extremely high rate of CVD, independent of LDL, points to blood sugar-induced damage to the endothelium as a prime candidate for CVD vulnerability. Finally, careful analysis of the FH literature demonstrates that the subset of FH individuals that develop premature CVD are those with evidence of hypercoagulation (which can be triggered by high blood sugar), independent of their LDL [4,5].

The flawed epidemiological literature and recent promotion of plant-based diets has ignored the extensive literature demonstrating that a meat and high carb diet is unhealthy, but red meat, alone, has not been shown to be associated with CVD risk. Research critical of the view that red meat is harmful has been summarized here [6,7].

An important component of the DASH diet is the restriction of sugar, which thereby makes an important component of the DASH diet overlap with the LCD. The obvious flaw with the DASH diet is the control group. Has the DASH diet ever been studied with a comparison diet that solely restricts carb consumption. If not, how can the other components of the DASH diet be considered important when it may be solely the sugar restriction that provides the benefits of the DASH diet?

The authors may not be familiar with the LCD literature which may explain why they have misrepresented it. The idea that up to 45% of calories from carbs can be considered a low carb diet is incorrect and has been promoted by authors who are critical of the diet. A low carb diet that has been studied in numerous RCTs is one in which carbs are typically less than 10% of the calories [8,9].

Benefits of LCDs were described in the 19th century as a treatment for type 2 diabetes and obesity. This literature was reviewed in the mid-20th century by Pennington [10], and in JAMA [11] and then popularized by Atkins in 1972. Since then, there have been dozens of LCD RCTs [e.g., 8,9] In 2015, a large group of scholars reviewed the LCD literature and concluded the LCD was the ideal first approach to the treatment of type 2 diabetes [12], which of course, is a condition that is associated with a high risk of CVD.

The warning against consuming red meat is an anachronism based solely on biased epidemiological work that has not been supported by rigorous analyses [6,7].

References 1. Harlan WR, Graham JB, Estes EH. Familial Hypercholesterolemia - a Genetic and Metabolic Study. Medicine, 45(2), 77-& (1966).
2. Mundal L, Sarancic M, Ose L et al. Mortality Among Patients With Familial Hypercholesterolemia: A Registry-Based Study in Norway, 1992-2010. J Am Heart Assoc, 3(6) (2014).
3. Ravnskov U, Diamond DM, Hama R et al. Lack of an association or an inverse association between low-density-lipoprotein cholesterol and mortality in the elderly: a systematic review. Bmj Open, 6(6) (2016).
4. Ravnskov U, de Lorgeril M, Kendrick M, Diamond DM. Importance of Coagulation Factors as Critical Components of Premature Cardiovascular Disease in Familial Hypercholesterolemia. International Journal of Molecular Sciences, 23(16) (2022).
5. Ravnskov U, de Lorgeril M, Kendrick M, Diamond DM. Inborn coagulation factors are more important cardiovascular risk factors than high LDL-cholesterol in familial hypercholesterolemia. Medical Hypotheses, 121, 60-63 (2018).
6. Leroy F, Smith NW, Adesogan AT et al. The role of meat in the human diet: evolutionary aspects and nutritional value. Anim Front, 13(2), 11-18 (2023). 7. Leroy F, Cofnas N. Should dietary guidelines recommend low red meat intake? Crit Rev Food Sci, 60(16), 2763-2772 (2020).
8. Westman EC, Tondt J, Maguire E, Yancy WS. Implementing a low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet to manage type 2 diabetes mellitus. Expert Rev Endocrino, 13(5), 263-272 (2018).
9. Volek JS, Phinney SD, Krauss RM et al. Alternative Dietary Patterns for Americans: Low-Carbohydrate Diets. Nutrients, 13(10) (2021).
10. Pennington AW. Treatment of obesity: developments of the past 150 years. Am J Dig Dis, 21(3), 65-69 (1954).
11. Thorpe GL. Treating overweight patients. J Am Med Assoc, 165(11), 1361-1365 (1957).
12. Feinman RD, Pogozelski WK, Astrup A et al. Dietary carbohydrate restriction as the first approach in diabetes management: Critical review and evidence base. Nutrition, 31(1), 1-13 (2015)."
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