noblehead said:Just because an article or video doesn't say what a person wants to hear doesn't make it wrong, as I said earlier there are no rights and wrongs when it comes to controlling your diabetes.......it is up to the individual to decide which is the best dietary path to choose.
If you look on youtube , there are over 160 videos from DCUK including a low carb one, one on the Newcastle diet, one on low carb lunches and another on low carb snacks.When I receive an email video from DCUK that states the case for a lchf diet or a Mediterranean diet and making it clear that in many countries these are an equally valid alternatives to treat diet only T2's as the official "starchy carb" view then I will begin to believe things are changing. Saying starchy carb advise is controversial is by no means the same as actively and equally promoting an alternative
Robinredbreast said:Maybe a sensible thing to do is to word it as " Type 1 has no pancreass function as it has ceased to function, therefore with carb counting and Insulin dosage required to right amount of carbs ( obviously not newly diagnosed diabetics) "Type 2 have some function of the pancreass and they may need to reduce the amount of their carb intake with meals" something on those lines possibly, it could be great help to allA shake up is definately needed. Best wishes RRB
Hi Smidge type1, type2, Gestational and LADA( also known as type 1.5) All different and all with different needs. I would think that becasuse you are LADA, your insulin/diabeteic needs would differ from another LADA, as my Type1 needs/insulin regime would be different from another type1. It was only a quick suggestion (and not written in stone) along the lines that changes need to be made and as I said, a shake up is definately needed, for ALL diabetes types. I didn't say that type 1's can eat anything, I said that type 1 and carb counting helps with matching the right amount of carbs with the right amount of insulin, even some vegatables have some carbs and fruit, rice, pasta, wholemeal bread etc, as long as not used inlarge amounts, all healthy and I incorporate them into my dietry needs. Best wishes RRBsmidge said:Hey everyone!
Robinredbreast said:Maybe a sensible thing to do is to word it as " Type 1 has no pancreass function as it has ceased to function, therefore with carb counting and Insulin dosage required to right amount of carbs ( obviously not newly diagnosed diabetics) "Type 2 have some function of the pancreass and they may need to reduce the amount of their carb intake with meals" something on those lines possibly, it could be great help to allA shake up is definately needed. Best wishes RRB
It wouldn't help me! Quite the opposite in fact! I am LADA but officially there are only two Types of diabetes; 1 and 2, so I'm classified officially as Type 1. However, I actually have quite strong pancreas function some days and very little on others. I have to adjust my carb intake because matching large doses of insulin to high carb food is actually pretty dangerous for me if my pancreas decides to help me out! So, low-carb, low insulin doses is my best way of trying to maintain BG stability. I think it is unhelpful to give the message that Type 1s can simply eat normally and match with insulin - very many of us can't unfortunately. (And there are many other reasons why we shouldn't, but those are not relevant to this thread).
Smidge
Daibell said:As I've said previously on the forum no one seems able to define 'starchy carbs' and I would be delighted if some one could?
For the Plate Method
About ¼ of your plate should come from starchy foods.
swimmer2 said:Eh? If I am low carbing (say at a moderate 20g per meal) and that represents 50% of my plate, unless those carbs are coming from something like green veg then I'm no going to be eating very much am I ? Obviously anyone can low carb using a starvation diet but for it to be sustainable you have to replace the carb with something else, i.e. fat and protein.
http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitnes ... our-plate/Add an 8 oz glass of non-fat or low-fat milk. If you don’t drink milk, you can add another small serving of carb such as a 6 oz. container of light yogurt or a small roll.
And a piece of fruit or a 1/2 cup fruit salad and you have your meal planned. Examples are fresh, frozen, or canned in juice or frozen in light syrup or fresh fruit.
http://lib.haifa.ac.il/mesila/nutrition ... rt0708.pdfData on commonly consumed portion weights of individual foods were obtained from MAFF (1993)
and Gregory et al. (1990) and converted to amounts that should be consumed on a weekly
basis, with some adjustments such as the removal of alcohol and miscellaneous foods. In
addition, the weight of fluids, milk and fruit juice, were halved before being added to the
weights of the rest of the foods in the milk and dairy, and fruit and vegetable groups
respectively. The reason for this was that these fluids contain a high proportion of water and
are used in large quantities in the diet. The weight of all foods was then totalled. The
relative proportions (segment size) of food to be consumed from each food group were then
calculated from these weights. As a percentage of the total for this, the five food groups
were comprised as follows: bread, other cereals and potatoes (34%), fruit and vegetables
(33%), meat, fish and alternatives (15%), milk and dairy foods (12%) and fatty and sugary
foods (7%) (Gatenby et al., 1995). The 101% total is due to rounding up.
The BOGH model showed the balance of foods we should try to eat for a healthy diet.
Whilst aiming to achieve this balance every day could be a practical approach, it was not
considered necessary to achieve it at every meal and could instead be achieved over the
period of perhaps a week. The key message was that it is the balance of foods in the diet as
a whole that is important to achieve a healthy diet
Other than recommending consumption of at least 5 portions of fruit and vegetables per day
and 2 portions of fish, one of which should be oily (in the accompanying text), no guidance 9
was given with the BOGH on numbers of servings. Instead, the emphasis was on proportion
(size of segments) given that everyone has different needs that are difficult to quantify
dawnmc said:Just got my newsletter from this site. And there is a video of the diet recommendations, yep starchy carbs with every meal.
What is going on! They say that the diet we should be on is what they advise for a healthy diet for everyone. If thats the case the UK is going to be really really overloaded with diabetics.
I ate a healthy diet before I got diabetes.
I've said this before but if we eat what we ate before and got diabetic how is what they advise going to lower our BS.
phoenix said:Using a 9inch plate ( and no more than 1inch thickness of food), this method is designed to give 1200- 1400 calories a day of which 45 -50 grams per meal are carbs . It includes some starchy carbs/some carbs from fruit, veg and dairy + some protein and fat ie it's balanced
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