GTF Chromium

[cugila]

Sula
Why shouldn't he be......we are all entitled to an opinion. That is from other places. I reserve judgement.......however, he makes money from promoting the stuff and he sells books about supplements of one sort of another. Appearances on Radio/Videos etc. He doesn't do them for free ! So, he does gain from it it seems.

BTW, I don't go with the 'conspiracy theory' either. Seen that too many times here and elsewhere to take much notice of it.

My opinion, FWIW......

 

[Sula]

Food state GTF Chromium is derived from a natural source, Brewers Yeast, it is perfectly OK for diabetics to take as it is a natural source of chromium. Who are these people who are trying to prevent diabetics taking it? Christopher Barr is not about to become a millionaire by recommending this product and I have heard about it before from nutritionists.

 

[cugila]

Sula.

Nobody is preventing anybody from taking anything......if they wish to that is their choice.

You should be able to get all the Chromium you need from a balanced and varied diet according to most Nutritionists.

Surely it is better for all to see that there is two sides to this supplement business.

Don't you think that fair ?

 

[Sula]

Cugila

I do go with the 'conspiracy theory'. I don't feel that the medical establishment or big pharma have MY best interests in mind. Despite my having tight control of my BG's with excellent Hb1Ac results my doctor constantly reminds me that my diabetes 'will progress'. I low carb (doctor thinks I am mad) and take a lot of supplements. I will try food state chromium as I have had some success with cinnulin PF. I think the cause of type 2 diabetes is known and so is the cure so why are we not being told? because diabetes and all its paraphenalia is a multi million pound winner for big pharma, my doctor is paid money to run a diabetic clinic but she knows very little about diabetes she wasn't even aware that diabetes UK advocate testing in the booklet she gave me (she had told me that type 2's don't need to test when I asked for strips)

 

[cugila]

Hi Sula.
You seem to be well aware what you are doing. Nobody has any problem with that. As I said if you wish to take this supplement that is fine by us, you have seen what is said here and made your choices.

As previously stated, we like our Members to be appraised of all the relevant facts so that they, as you, are able to make correct decisions for themselves. Whichever choice that may be.

 

[Patch]

I buy into the conpiracy theory whole heartedly. Diabetes is not some huge mystery, it is not impossible to find the cause, it is not impossible to find a cure.

We are being LIED TO to allow the big pharma to keep robbing us blind. Diabetes treatmemt costs the NHS a fortune every year.

The NHS has a duty of care, and they should be held accountable - and that should be flowed down to the big pharma. If the NHS is paying out to these companies, those companies research should be made available to the NHS.

The big pharma DO NOT have our best interests at heart. They have their own bulging pockets in mind.

Anyway - I digress. Back to the GTF discussion... :wink:

 

[noblehead]

''big pharma''............................. :lol: :lol: :lol: ..............are you forgetting which forum you are on Patch? :wink:

Nigel

 

[Patch]

Large Pharmaceutical Companies.

They're the ones that are keeping us sick to keep themselves rich.

Laugh it up, Nige.

 

[cugila]

All these generalisations about 'Big Pharma' are really a bit OTT.......

If it wasn't for some of the Drugs and research sponsored by Drugs companies I for one might not be around.......(do I detect the sound of laughter ?) :wink:

I am sure many around the World owe much to Drugs from these 'evil large Pharmaceutical companies' that people are happy to berate. There are many who are actually grateful for the chance to lead a normal life without complications because of drugs and drug companies..........

Sad to think that things and organisations that are in the main of benefit to others are thought of as 'conspirators' in some way. :|

 

[catherinecherub]

Large Pharmaceutical Companies.

They're the ones that are keeping us sick to keep themselves rich.

Laugh it up, Nige.

I have noticed in previous posts that you would like gastric band surgery. Do you think there will be drugs involved? :roll:
At other times you have wished you could be given Byetta.
Without funded research from drug companies then these methods would not be available to anyone.

Ever had anyone seriously ill who needed drugs? If you haven't then you are very lucky.
There was a time when T.B. and Polio would have been a death sentence but not anymore and people with H.I.V. are living a longer life with drugs. Vaccines have to be researched too.

Get real Patch.

 

[Sid Bonkers]

Large Pharmaceutical Companies.

They're the ones that are keeping us sick to keep themselves rich.

I would have thought that if that were true then the NHS if not some investigative journalist would have brought this to our attention by now. I doubt if the "big farmers :wink: " have our best interests at heart and I accept that they are there to make money for their shareholders but thinking they are "keeping us sick" is a bit of a stretch and quite paranoid IMHO

 

[phoenix]

of course the pharmaceutical companies are in business to make profit for their shareholders (although some of them, Novo for example were actually founded with benevolent intentions) . This applies equally to the supplement industry. It is a 24 billion dollar industry in the US.
In the UK the largest specialist High Street distributor of supplements had a profit of 41 million in 2009. They are owned by the US vitamin giant NBTY and in 2006 their profit margin of 30.2% was higher than any other High St retailer.
It's huge business and the 2 industries aren't entirely separate . For example, Smith-Kline-Glaxo, the makers of Avandia are also manufacturers of vitamins and herbal supplements.

If the pharmaceutical industry isn't squeaky clean least there is some measure of international regulation on the production, testing and distribution of medicines. There can be crippling financial penalties if medicines have unforeseen consequences. This is not necessarily the case for the supplements industry, particularly the internet supplement industry where caveat emptor reigns. Do you know what you're getting is what they say it is? Do some research on the places of origin of raw ingredients used by small manufacturers . Make your own mind up about how well the production is likely to be regulated.

In addition, just as some people claim with conventional medicines , it's not easy to know if the advice you are being given is completely disinterested. Take Vit D for example, (I know wrong thread :lol: ) this article, and the response show just how hard it is to decide .
http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_str ... 80213.html

 

[white43]

The important differentiation on this one is that apparently it's 100% WHOLEFOOD GTF Chromium that seems to be effective. Field studies and tests have usually gone with the Picolinate version which is different it seems and has mixed results.

Getting 100% Wholefood GTF Chromium appears to be quite difficult. Manufacturer has to be prepared to say "yes, it's 100% wholefood", because of course it could be only 5% wholefood and be labelled GTF Chromium.

I've just received a shipment today and I will try it. Interestingly enough it does state on the side that Diabetics on Insulin should not take it. This seems to suggest that they think it may reduce blood glucose or even cause hypoglycaemia. Brewers Yeast apparently has GTF Chromium???

I've got a cold at the moment, so my readings are all elevated, but I'll take anyway to see what happens.....

 

[cugila]

So....how much does this stuff cost and what sort of dosage are you taking.

Be interesting to see what your little trial comes up with. BTW, don't let the term 100% Wholefood dazzle you, so is the natural source of Chromium which you can get from your diet.

Keep us updated.....

 

[white43]

So....how much does this stuff cost and what sort of dosage are you taking.

Be interesting to see what your little trial comes up with. BTW, don't let the term 100% Wholefood dazzle you, so is the natural source of Chromium which you can get from your diet.

Keep us updated.....

Well, I managed to get 100% Wholefood off Ebay for £11 for 60. Holland and Barrett also do GTF Chromium for quite a lot less, but doesn't claim to be wholefood.

Chris Barr recommends 300mcg a day:

I should note that I did not pull out of a hat 100 micrograms three times daily or through some extensive trial and error. Human studies 40 years ago determined that 200 to 290 micrograms of dietary chromium intake “maintained chromium equilibrium”. In other words, that is how much chromium you need to take in so that you don’t lose more than you use.

 

[cugila]

Well....I hope you have checked this out first with your GP as Chromium can interact with certain OTC and Prescription Meds, not just Insulin, especially if taken on a regular basis.

There is also only one trial which was in China which showed a positive effect......there were 14 more that were either inconclusive or negative.

Chromium deficiency impairs the body's ability to use glucose to meet its energy needs and raises insulin requirements. It has therefore been suggested that chromium supplements might help to control type 2 diabetes or the glucose and insulin responses in persons at high risk of developing the disease. A review of randomized controlled clinical trials evaluated this hypothesis [35]. This meta-analysis assessed the effects of chromium supplements on three markers of diabetes in the blood: glucose, insulin, and glycated hemoglobin (which provides a measure of long-term glucose levels; also known as hemoglobin A1C). It summarized data from 15 trials on 618 participants, of which 425 were in good health or had impaired glucose tolerance and 193 had type 2 diabetes. Chromium supplementation had no effect on glucose or insulin concentrations in the non-diabetic subjects nor did it reduce these levels in subjects with diabetes, except in one study. However, that study, conducted in China (in which 155 diabetics were given either 200 or 1,000 mcg/day of chromium or a placebo) might simply show the benefits of supplementation in a chromium-deficient population.
Overall, the value of chromium supplements for diabetics is inconclusive and controversial [36]. Randomized controlled clinical trials in well-defined, at-risk populations where dietary intakes are known are necessary to determine the effects of chromium on markers of diabetes

 

[NotADoc]

Re: GTF Chromium and Chris or Christopher Barr

Hmmm ...

One stated: "Are you also aware that Christopher Barr gets 4 stars (ducks) on the 'Quackometer'"

A search at that site lists 8 articles containing "Chris Barr" and 2 articles containing "Christopher Barr". However the articles they list contain not even a single mention of either.

Another stated: "Tried to look him up on this forum and can't find anything."

One responded to Another: "That's precisely because we are careful what content we have on here."

He couldn't be found on this forum because he never entered the forum before. As to the claim by One to Another ...

One also stated of Barr: "Appearances on Radio/Videos etc. He doesn't do them for free ! So, he does gain from it it seems."

Mr. Barr has never received any remuneration from the innumerable "Radio/Videos etc." appearances he has made through four decades (including national speaking engagements around the U.S.). He does do them for free!!! He sees it as missionary work.

These are just a few of the many errors about Mr. Barr presented in this forum so just how careful are these "we" about content that is on here?

I know Barr as well as I know myself seeing as he is myself.

I also know that the right form of chromium in the right amount utilized the right way reduces abnormally high blood sugar levels while also raising up abnormally low blood sugar levels in non-medicated hypoglycemics.

90 days will result in high HB1AC being reduced and also high LDL reduction as well as low HDL increase. Longer use results in reduced triglyceride levels as well. Have seen this over and over and over again ad infinitum ad nauseum.

The truth on this matter is not known mostly because knowledge of this truth is not desired or sought by most whether in the medical or nutritional communities.