HA1C test versus glucose

Mick E

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Hi I am a new nervous member,
my GP says I have type 2 as my last 3 glucose fasting results have been 7.9, 8.3 and 8.2 but a HA1C test shows as normal at 40 ifcc.
I am hoping to deal with the glucose with diet. I already take enough meds for my AF heart condition and cardio vascular disease for which I have 4 stents. My cholesterol is 5 and needs to be 4, also I hope possible as I don't want to take statins.
Any advice or help please?
 

azure

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Hi @Mick E :)

Let me tag @daisy1 for you as she has some basic information.

I'm Type 1 not Type 2, but hopefully some Type 2s will be along soon.

Perhaps if you give us an idea of what you currently eat, then that might help with diet suggestions.

And no need to be nervous - there are many friendly people here :)
 

Hiitsme

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Hi and welcome @Mick E
Do read the information Daisy will post as it's very helpful guide for newbies. As far as diet is concerned it's all the carbohydrate that the body turns to glucose that we type 2's have problems with. So we need to cut down on things like bread, rice, pasta, potatoes as well as sugar and things that contain sugar.
I found a meter really helpful to see how my body reacted to different foods, by testing before a meal and 2 hours afterwards. The expense of a meter is the cost of the test strips so a lot of us use the SD codefree as the strips are a lot cheaper. People can give you the information if you are interested.
Do ask questions are we will try and help.
 

Mick E

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Hi @Mick E :)

Let me tag @daisy1 for you as she has some basic information.

I'm Type 1 not Type 2, but hopefully some Type 2s will be along soon.

Perhaps if you give us an idea of what you currently eat, then that might help with diet suggestions.

And no need to be nervous - there are many friendly people here :)

Thanks for reply Azure. The nervousness is due to the disease itself, not talking to people. The info on diet etc., is great but what I was wondering really is why the glucose is high but HA1C test shows as normal at 40 ifcc. and therefore if I really have type 2? plus diet could be difficult as I have to eat for cholesterol and my heart and also I take warfarin so have to be careful of vitamin K.
 

Kristin251

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An A1C is an average of your BS over 3 months. You could spike after a meal and then drop which is called reactive hypoglycemia and it could give you a great A1C but your BS could be fluctuating a lot and that is what we want to avoid. Getting a meter will give you all your answers. No matter what form or stage of diabetes you have low carb diets work best. We use fat for fuel but if you chose high quality fats it will not effect CHO. It is the carbs that effect CHO more. Eat lots of above ground veggies, healthy fats like olive oil, avocado, nuts and seeds. When you eat red meats buy 100% grass fed. Eat fatty fish like salmon and trout.

Welcome to the forum. You are in the right place...
 
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daisy1

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@Mick E

Hello Mick and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

azure

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Thanks for reply Azure. The nervousness is due to the disease itself, not talking to people. The info on diet etc., is great but what I was wondering really is why the glucose is high but HA1C test shows as normal at 40 ifcc. and therefore if I really have type 2? plus diet could be difficult as I have to eat for cholesterol and my heart and also I take warfarin so have to be careful of vitamin K.

I don't know, but my guess would be that your blood sugars have only gone higher recently, so the HbA1C result includes some normal blood suagrs from weeks ago, which has lowered that result.

I understand your worries about adjusting your diet even more. We each make our own decisions re diet, so low carb and high fat mean slightly different things to each person. I echo the advice to get a blood glucose meter. That way you can see what foods work for your blood sugar, and gauge how much you need to adjust your diet.
 

Hodge1960

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Hi I am a new nervous member,
my GP says I have type 2 as my last 3 glucose fasting results have been 7.9, 8.3 and 8.2 but a HA1C test shows as normal at 40 ifcc.
I am hoping to deal with the glucose with diet. I already take enough meds for my AF heart condition and cardio vascular disease for which I have 4 stents. My cholesterol is 5 and needs to be 4, also I hope possible as I don't want to take statins.
Any advice or help please?
How doctors can differ my hba1c test came back at 40 and was told I am not diabetic. Oh well eating a better diet can only do me good......Good luck Mick E
 

Robbity

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Hi @Mick E

Have a look here for information about HbA1c and acceptable levels - particularly the section on HbA1c in diagnosis.

Robbity
 

Bluetit1802

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Hi and welcome,

Yes, as others said, do invest in a blood glucose meter. Many of us on here use the Codefree because the testing strips are about the cheapest there are, and you will need a lot of them.

Try here for the Codefree meter
http://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/blood-glucose-monitor/

and here for the extra strips
http://homehealth-uk.com/all-products/sd-codefree-test-strips-to-be-used-only-with-the-sd-monitor/

Pharmacies don't sell them.
There are discount codes if you buy in bulk, and they are VAT free providing you make the declaration that you are diabetic.
Discount codes:
5 packs 264086
10 packs 975833

If you go ahead and buy a meter, let us know and someone will help you use it to your best advantage.
 

Sirmione

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The low carbs higher fat approach works your initial difficult will be shaking off conventional good eating thinking. The next is identifying exactly which foods are high in carbs.
Testing is your guide, many on here use the SD Cost-free meter because it is as accurate as any (more so than most) and has lower cost test strips.