Hairy dieters

[hanadr]

I've watched the hairy bikers slimming programmes again. Unfortunately, they've gone down the low fat road! I know if I did their diet, I'd gain masses of weight and lose control of my blood glucose, nevertheless, I made their cassoulet and it's delicious. I found the 5% meat sauages at Waitrose. It only took a small bowl of the cassoulet to fill me up
See their recipe on BBC website

 

[twinkle1980]

I like their no pasta lasagne... ok its not quite like the real thing, but its lovely tasting all the same.

 

[Sid Bonkers]

I've watched the hairy bikers slimming programmes again. Unfortunately, they've gone down the low fat road! I know if I did their diet, I'd gain masses of weight and lose control of my blood glucose,

How would you gain weight by eating a low calorie diet? It may increase your bg levels if you ate a lot of carbs but are we talking about the same book?

You need to bear in mind its a diet book not a low carb cook book, that said most of the recipes that I have tried from it have been very low carb like the Leek Lasagne mentioned above.
The Spanish-style Chicken Bake.
The Masala-Marinaded Chicken with Minted Yoghurt Sauce served with some watercress and salad- where are the carbs in that?
The Mediterranean Beefburgers.
The Cajan Spiced Chicken - you dont have to cook the potato wedges.
The Paprika Chicken etc etc
Theres hardly any carbs in any of them?

The other recipes all seem fine to me too although I may alter some of them by leaving out the odd potato here and there but its not a high carb book by anyones imagination surely?

As for being low fat, it is a diet book and one has ever lost weight by eating loads of fat, fat as I'm sure you know Hana has 9 calories per gram, more calories in fact than any other food group and thats why diet books tend to be low fat.

 

[paul-1976]

As for being low fat, it is a diet book and no one has ever lost weight by eating loads of fat, fat as I'm sure you know Hana has 9 calories per gram, more calories in fact than any other food group and thats why diet books tend to be low fat.

Well that just shows how people differ as I have lost over 4 stone on over 2000 calories a day,no hunger and virtually no exercise just by keeping my carbs below 40gs a day and binning all the low fat merchandise and replacing with natural foods and sat fats and I believe I am not the only one to have found that to be the case.sure peoples diets are their own business but to say that No-one has ever lost weight by eating more fat isn't entirely true,sure high carb-high fat will soon run you into trouble but that's not how us low carbers roll...

ciao

Paul

 

[noblehead]

A good ......but rather long discusion we had on the programme back in August 2012:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=31781&hilit=Hair

 

[Sid Bonkers]

As for being low fat, it is a diet book and no one has ever lost weight by eating loads of fat, fat as I'm sure you know Hana has 9 calories per gram, more calories in fact than any other food group and thats why diet books tend to be low fat.

Well that just shows how people differ as I have lost over 4 stone on over 2000 calories a day,

The only weigh to lose weight is to cut calories or by exercising more and as exercising burns relatively few calories the only real way to lose weight is to eat fewer calories whether you eat low carb or not, if you eat more calories you will not lose weight, no one has ever lost weight by increasing their calorific intake.

 

[paul-1976]

As for being low fat, it is a diet book and no one has ever lost weight by eating loads of fat, fat as I'm sure you know Hana has 9 calories per gram, more calories in fact than any other food group and thats why diet books tend to be low fat.

Well that just shows how people differ as I have lost over 4 stone on over 2000 calories a day,

The only weigh to lose weight is to cut calories or by exercising more and as exercising burns relatively few calories the only real way to lose weight is to eat fewer calories whether you eat low carb or not, if you eat more calories you will not lose weight, no one has ever lost weight by increasing their calorific intake.

That's fine Sid.Carb reduction with increased dietary fat intake has worked for me and many others and I will continue with it and hope you will respect my choice of regime just as I respect your choice too.I'm sure you wasn't implying that my weight loss on LCHF was fabricated in any way. 8)

Regards

Tubsolard

 

[Sid Bonkers]

That's fine Sid.Carb reduction with increased dietary fat intake has worked for me and many others and I will continue with it and hope you will respect my choice of regime just as I respect your choice too.I'm sure you wasn't implying that my weight loss on LCHF was fabricated in any way. 8)

Its got absolutely nothing to do with respect Paul I am just stating facts, you did not lose weight due to a low carb diet but you may have lost weight whilst eating a low carb diet .

I will say once again that it is eating fewer calories that makes us lose weight. If you had increased your overall calorie intake with your "increased dietary fat intake" you could not of lost weight, its the law of thermodynamics.

 

[paul-1976]

My user name is based on my choice of Lard for frying food these days so is not contraversial.

 

[anna29]

Guys .

Can we please stick to the thread topic .
Not get personal - it just ruins things otherwise .
Have edited posts to reflect this.

Thanks Anna.

 

[hanadr]

FYI
Sid
A study was done a while back, where a group of people ate nothing but fat and lost weight FAST. as soon as a bit of carb was added, the weightloss stopped.
If you read Gary Taubes, he quotes loads of evidence that calories are not the key. A generation ago John Yudkin wrote the same.
Not only do i know that fats are approximately 9cal per gram and carbs and proteins are approx 4cal per gram, but I even know what a calorie is and the difference between a calorie and a Calorie.
I'm 3 stone lighter than I was when I ate low calorie and about the same weight as I was at 30 years old. [I'm 66]
If I were an internal combustion engine, calories might matter, but I'm an enzyme moderated mechanism, thus my body handles different food substances differently. Fats are not processed in the same way as carbs or proteins,For their actual calorie count to matter, they would have to be. After all the calorific value of food is worked out in a bomb calorimeter, which literally combusts the food. It can be used to work out the calorific value of coal or mineral oil. I can't process either of those.
Hana

 

[paul-1976]

This has proved to be the case with my experience too.Thermodynamics??.. I'll stick with mine and others Anecdotal evidence everytime.

 

[Sid Bonkers]

FYI
Sid
A study was done a while back, where a group of people ate nothing but fat and lost weight FAST. as soon as a bit of carb was added, the weightloss stopped.

Source please as I dont beleive this is true well not in the way you are implying it to be. Weight loss can not happen without calorie reduction, so for someone eating nothing but fat to lose weight they must have eaten fewer calories

If you read Gary Taubes, he quotes loads of evidence that calories are not the key.

Would this be the section of his book that has been removed since the first edition? The section that was proved to be incorrect?

Not only do i know that fats are approximately 9cal per gram and carbs and proteins are approx 4cal per gram, but I even know what a calorie is and the difference between a calorie and a Calorie.

Good for you Hana


I low carb.
I am a low carber.
But I am also realistic and I know that to lose weight you need to eat fewer calories. I have lost around 5 stones now, not through low carbing but by eating less food and therefore fewer calories.

 

[paul-1976]

Sorry Sid but I'll stick with what works for me and you carry on with your small measures of cornflakes and portion control and agree to disagree with no hard feelings eh? :wink:

 

[Patch]

This thread is VINTAGE diabetes.co.uk.

Hi Sid.

 

[anna29]

Hi All.

Can we please stick to letting this thread evolve in a more positive vein .

Thanks Anna.

 

[Yorksman]

Well I'm off to see the Hairy Bikers stage show in March so I'll see if they put any of that weight back on

I have several of their books but the hairy dieters book is very good for getting you thinking about how you approach cooking. I have found that one can often substitute a teaspoon of oil for a recipe's tablespoon. Best example that I have seen of packing simple veggies with masses of flavour and texture is South Indian vegetarian cooking. It's worth googling. I never knew you could make things like lentils taste interesting. It's cheap too, but time consuming.

Sadly I have to stay away from the Hairy Bikers Book of Perfect Pies.

 

[Trina]

Hello people.
Well I have a super success story about the hairy bikers diet. I am type 1 and my husband type 2 diabetic. About a year ago he was advised to lose weight. We tried all sorts of diets and, although he lost some weight, the problem was keeping up the momentum. Then we bought The Hairy Bikers diet book and hubby has lost over 2 stone using this diet. Now being the dutiful wife that I am whatever he ate I ate and have lost over a stone in weight, so we are very very chuffed. The only issue I have is sometimes working out the carb value accurately.

So we can't praise this regime high enough.

 

[DaveNN]

Many low carb foods are also low calorie.
There's the explanation.
That said, something tells me that to "burn fat " you had to eat fat.
There's the conundrum.
I did the Atkins about 10 years ago.
I lost a shedload of weight ( which I put on after) but lived on chicken, eggs, fish, meat etc.

 

[SamJB]

Not that I want to ruffle feathers (sid and hana are brilliant contributors to this forum), but I've lost a stone by eating the same amount of calories on a low carb diet. The fat and glucose cycle is very different. Excess fat gets turned to bile, whereas excess glucose gets consumed by fat cells. Could be wrong, happy to be proved so!