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Has the NHS enabled you to successfully manage your weight?

Discussion in 'Weight Loss and Dieting' started by pdmjoker, Sep 30, 2018.

  1. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    Thank you.
     
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  2. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    Sadly, the pdf failed to download onto my old tablet but I will read up on this more.
     
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  3. Resurgam

    Resurgam Type 2 (in remission!) · Expert

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    Having been sneered at, accused of lying, being non compliant, and they really love to say gooooorging and stu!ffing yourself and other such negatives, doctors and nurses should have given me a real complex eating disorder, but I have to remember that it isn't me who has the wrong idea about food.
     
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  4. Jaylee

    Jaylee Type 1 · Moderator
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    Interesting article.. It all seems to be marketed like urban white whichcraft?
    There were some trippy "brainstorming" sessions when they worked on the branding ethos..

    "calorific foods are labelled as "syns" and limited."

    (In a cackling deep voice.) "But beware the dark side of the force!" ;)
     
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    pavlovsdog Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    oh that's a shame, I wonder if its the way I've uploaded it? Ill give it another go
     

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    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    How many have been offered bariatric surgery and turned it down?
    Far far more than those who have accepted!!
     
  8. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    With Alzheimers now being termed by some as Type 3 diabetes I wonder how how many psychological issues are in fact down to a generally disordered metabolism? Could some degree of hyperinsulinemia be a cause/major contributory factor of some mental health issues as well as obesity? Until we start measuring it who can say for sure...
     
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  9. zand

    zand Type 2 · Expert

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    But how many wouldn't have needed bariatric surgery in the first place if the NHS had helped them long before they got to be morbidly obese?
    I suppose I would be on your list too. I was told I needed to put on another stone before the NHS could help me. I refused. Does the NHS really think bariatric surgery is the only way it can help?
     
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  10. Mr_Pot

    Mr_Pot Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    There is a problem with the NHS intervening before overweight becomes a clinical problem and that is that they would be accused of interfering in peoples lives, being the Nanny State, fat shaming etc. After all there are campaigns for Plus Size Models, Big is Beautiful etc. So what are they to do? How many people go to the GP for a routine check, hear that their BMI shows overweight and actually do anything about it? If the Eatwell Plate was modified to reduce the carbohydrate fraction, would it make any difference to the general population who don't look at it until their weight has become a problem, if at all. I don't know what the solution is but if we are going to complain that the government or the NHS are not doing the right thing we need to decide what the right thing is first.
     
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    zand Type 2 · Expert

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    It would have made a difference to me! The doctor told me to lose weight because my blood pressure was too high and because my heart was out of rhythm. I said I had tried so many diets and none had worked, then he said I needed to put on weight before he could help me! The right thing is to listen to the patients and not judge them to be out of control gluttons.

    I think we need to get away from 'beautiful' altogether. Why judge someone by the way they look?
     
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  12. Jaylee

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    Oddly, I occasionally watch the an athropology program. I notice how a "tribe" offer food to the presenter or a,camara crew & would be offended at the fair turned down. Even though they don't have much to offer.. "Culture."
    The same with western culture... "Oh go on?!" "It won't hurt you.."
    Dare I say it "fishes & loaves." Culture. "Break bread."
    No matter where, a need to satisfy the guest, the family member... Ingrained.
    Then there is the "marketing." The vested interests in the companies that supply the "demand."

    The "mother's little helpers" (& the single dads on Sunday.) regarding the fast food industry...

    "I'm lovin' it" is engrained in human society.. Whatever the culture. A lot of folk struggle with the "cultural advances" beyond what were evolonanary capable of adapting too?
     
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    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    I think it's referring to the programme which I was referred to and lost on low carb dieting but readded it after insulin increases in metformin's absence. Not diabetics only are referred to it.
    Maybe only referred when morbidly obese?
    Are all diabetics morbidly obese?
     
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    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    Dieticians do say that now. They carry cals and carbs around for reference.
     
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    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    The programme referred to is the programme you have to be educated on before you can have the op but op not compulsory. Education sessions are. Psychologist for eating disorders too. Op... No.
    I've agreed op from the start as I'm no idiot to nutrician or diets nor how my body works, not works in my case.
    Milk shakes worked for me decades ago and I'm losing on them again but starvation is very very unpleasant and dangerous for my insulin and heart meds so I need a more permanent, working weight loss that I can manage into old age. I need managed starvation to get weight off, then maintenance on low calorie and low carb eating....for life. Without pain of hunger and self loathing at failing to stick to low cals and low carb eating. The self loathing is the worst and most dangerous of it all. Unnecessary and preventable. With nhs support.
    Its not for everyone. Just those who obesity is killing them and the operation can change that around, for me.

    Maybe the nhs cannot afford to put every overweight or obese but not morbidly obese person on the programme?
    I cannot see anywhere where it says only morbidly obese but in our area, it is.
    1:3 or higher are obese in Sunderland but you ask how well the comfort foods sell it is enormous. Still have alot of domestic abuse in Sunderland and very bad high carb ready available foods. Supermarkets are full of it but I go for frozen veg and cabinet is empty. Morrisons and Lidl. :(
     
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    zand Type 2 · Expert

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    Will you be allowed to low carb after the op?
     
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    That's a very interesting point. There is definitely a strong link between mental and physical health, but difficult to say what comes first? I think they all work in tandem tbh so all the more reason to look after our mental health as well as physical
     
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    zand Type 2 · Expert

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    Hmm, so I suppose I can say that the NHS has helped me with weight loss because my GP referred me for 8 sessions of counselling to help alleviate depression. I needed another 20, but I am fortunate that the counsellor I was given was the right one for me. I find it much easier to stick to low carb/keto now my mental health is better. :)
     
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    Reading a lot of carnivore sites, as I do these days, as well as keto forums there are many who report significant improvements in mental health issues when they follow either of the ways of eating. Placebo maybe but if it works ....or maybe it just works?
     
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    Like some above, I nearly fell off my chair with laughing when I read this

    No the NHS has done absolutely nothing to assist me in losing weight.
    At various times I have had back, knee, menstrual problems, depression, emotional distress/confusion/word loss/memory issues, high blood pressure and gut problems blamed on my weight. All with the blanket advice to 'lose some'.
    No one has given me any sensible advice on how to do this, since the Eat Less Move More mantra was something I had tried for decades.
    Although one cheerfully unsympathetic nurse did give me a photocopied sheet telling me to eat 9 portions of brown carbs a day.
    And a doc once told me that I was 'fat enough' for surgery, if I wanted it. I didn't. Don't. And am appalled that this was his first suggestion the first time I saw him, without him even reading my notes.

    So, fell back on my own resources and:

    low carb -> very low carb -> keto dealt with the memory, distress, confusion and word loss
    low carbing has also helped me lose 60+ pounds, then stalled for years
    the depression lifted magically after supplementing with vit D3
    sleep improved tremendously with the use of magnesium oil
    my reactive hypoglycaemia stays totally under control if I stay off gluten and carbs
    oh, and my high blood pressure resolved when I managed to identify coffee as the cause
     
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