And? Of what relevance is this?Far away on Mount Kuyeh there dwells a spirit man whose skin is like congealed snow and who is gentle as a virgin. He does not eat any of the five grains, but inhales the wind and drinks the dew.
Interesting. Google says soya is a legume.Oh your post mentioned Tofu tofu was invented about 2000 years ago by Taoist Chinese monks one of their dietary regimes is Bigu which centers on the avoidance of grains and that is one of their sayings.
Grains are plant based I believe. As is soya but not I think a grain.
Soya are beans, but like grain they are also seeds. Do you know what the difference is that makes grain allegedly a bad choice but beans benign?Oh your post mentioned Tofu tofu was invented about 2000 years ago by Taoist Chinese monks one of their dietary regimes is Bigu which centers on the avoidance of grains and that is one of their sayings.
Grains are plant based I believe. As is soya but not I think a grain.
Hi @CocosilkYou know, the problem is that people call themselves vegan and aren't necessarily eating that many vegetables... I had an au pair from Italy last year who only stayed for 2 weeks. She told me she was vegan after she arrived. I thought, poor thing, you've landed in a house with one of the biggest meat eaters I have known (my husband)...
Anyway, I watched what she was eating while she was here. She did once or twice make a dish with some vegetables in it. But otherwise she subsisted on peanut butter and jam sandwiches. And sometimes that was all she was eating for the whole day - one little sandwich in the morning! She was starving herself. I actually think she had an eating disorder but was going around calling herself vegan.
Another vegetarian I knew was eating a few veggies here and there but filling up on pasta and rice and other such grains. Plus some of them eat sweets and all the naughty food like anyone else on a SAD.
Do you think vegetarians who eat a "clean" diet of vegetables, fruit, nuts, cheese, yoghurt, eggs, olive oil, (even fish?) would get diabetes? I think it's all the processed grains that are the problem, isn't it?
With vegans, in my opinion, there is some clever social engineering going on and they are the gullible ones. I mean, you can survive for a long time on vegetables alone. I was just watching some documentary of poor Chinese villagers who live off mostly white potatoes, and they somehow survive into old age... I'm not sure how healthy they are or how long they really live but they are all out in the fields working hard and not eating a great variety.
But I think the push to encourage people to be vegan is so that someone else can take the meat. Even if you choose not to eat meat, it will still be farmed in your country most likely and just exported to the places that want it. The damage to the environment will still happen. China already owns a great number of farms in Australia, for example, and they would be sending meat back to China for sure. Most of the best cuts of meat probably never arrive on an average Australian's dinner plate. I know that's what's happening with "our" seafood. We get the left overs. All the best stuff goes overseas. So why not convince everyone to be vegan and let all of the good animal protein be sent off to other countries who are willing to pay more for it? Clever ploy?
The difference is in our programming. I first noticed that cultural difference if you will when I was on a reef trip with some Japanese students. We went on a glass bottom boat to see all the beautiful reef fish. I was looking at the fish with wonder - all the colours and shapes and sizes. My students were looking at them and said "Yum!" It didn't occur to me to think of them in terms of food. I guess they were more in touch with the reality of where our food comes from... ha ha
Modern grains being high GI and potentially gut damaging though less fart inducing. You pays your money, you takes your choice or you get a Soy bean burger!Soya are beans, but like grain they are also seeds. Do you know what the difference is that makes grain allegedly a bad choice but beans benign?
My question was actually to @JohnEGreen who mentioned the avoidance of grain 2000 years ago. However there does seem to be a common opinion on here that grains are bad beyond the GI value.Modern grains being high GI and potentially gut damaging though less fart inducing. You pays your money, you takes your choice or you get a Soy bean burger!
It appears that, providing the additional carbs are taken into account, tofu/soya is fine.I regularly eat tofu, alone it has no impact on my levels. I usually incorporate it in a meal so then count the carbs. Roughly 2g per serving...
Soya are beans, but like grain they are also seeds. Do you know what the difference is that makes grain allegedly a bad choice but beans benign?
Supermarket tofu has carbs in it, and the people that are in the know use the fermented forms of tofu such as tempeh. This removes some of the protective phytocemicals that soya has to protect it and turns the carbs into resistnt starch. What is often left out is that some 40% of the population is badly affected by eating soy products in the unfermented version and there was a big scandal over textured vegetable protein (TVP) used in commercial ready meals.It looks like soya and tofu have carbs in them, in varying amounts.
I tend not to eat commercial ready meals but what was this scandal @Oldvatr ?Supermarket tofu has carbs in it, and the people that are in the know use the fermented forms of tofu such as tempeh. This removes some of the protective phytocemicals that soya has to protect it and turns the carbs into resistnt starch. What is often left out is that some 40% of the population is badly affected by eating soy products in the unfermented version and there was a big scandal over textured vegetable protein (TVP) used in commercial ready meals.
It is also a misnomer that animal feed is using up the rainforest. Soya is deadly for ruminants such as cattle and pigs and sheep, but is fed primarily to poultry along with expensve corn. Blame the birds for deforestation There is soya put into cattle cake, but it is only the left over husks which would normally be burnt or treated as waste products since no one else eats the husk except possibly some beetles. The husk helps to reduce methane production as roughage does for us.
My dinner tonight has supermarket tofu in it, so I fished the package from the bin to check. It has 1 gram carbs per 100 grams.Supermarket tofu has carbs in it
The tempeh from the same supermarket has 5.5 grams per 100 grams.the people that are in the know use the fermented forms of tofu such as tempeh
https://www.calorieking.com/us/en/foods/f/calories-in-soy-products-tempeh/6VxZOkPZR4-X71ySX5B_JwMy dinner tonight has supermarket tofu in it, so I fished the package from the bin to check. It has 1 gram carbs per 100 grams.
The tempeh from the same supermarket has 5.5 grams per 100 grams.
When TVP was introduced into TV dinners, packet dinners and especially in things like Vesta meals and early pot noodles, there were reports of people falling ill after eating TVP based products. It was initially feared that it was a problem with production process contamination leading to food poisoning, but eventually it was narrowed down to a soya allergen which has now been filtered out somewhere in the supply chain. However it was taken quite seriously when I was a relative youngster. A friend of mine has suffered a reaction to Edame beans, which indicates that this form of soy may still contain the allergen. I find they give me painful wind, but I survive without too much discomfort. Bsked beans have a similar effect on some.I tend not to eat commercial ready meals but what was this scandal @Oldvatr ?
Your tempeh seems to have a completely different breakdown than mine: https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi232355/ah-tempehhttps://www.calorieking.com/us/en/foods/f/calories-in-soy-products-tempeh/6VxZOkPZR4-X71ySX5B_Jw
See how long a walk you need to see off 1 cup of the stuff.
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