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Discussion in 'Ask A Question' started by Cocosilk, Nov 16, 2019.

  1. JohnEGreen

    JohnEGreen Other · Expert

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    Far away on Mount Kuyeh there dwells a spirit man whose skin is like congealed snow and who is gentle as a virgin. He does not eat any of the five grains, but inhales the wind and drinks the dew.
     
  2. lucylocket61

    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    And? Of what relevance is this?
     
  3. JohnEGreen

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    Oh your post mentioned Tofu tofu was invented about 2000 years ago by Taoist Chinese monks one of their dietary regimes is Bigu which centers on the avoidance of grains and that is one of their sayings.

    Grains are plant based I believe. As is soya but not I think a grain.
     
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  4. lucylocket61

    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Interesting. Google says soya is a legume.
     
  5. Mr_Pot

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    Soya are beans, but like grain they are also seeds. Do you know what the difference is that makes grain allegedly a bad choice but beans benign?
     
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    Hi @Cocosilk

    I am rather uncomfortable with the tone of some of this post. Although I do recognise that the written word sometimes makes it difficult to appreciate the writer’s intentional tone.

    for example, you seem to be making sweeping generalisations about vegans based on a couple of examples, and calling them ‘deluded’ as a result. Clearly your sample is too small to draw any such conclusion, and I remind you that this forum is for everyone, including members who make different lifestyle and eating choices from your own, some of whom are vegan - and who are entitled to use the forum without having such comments aimed at them.

    In fact, we even have a group of forum rules intended to prevent members from making judgemental, hostile ‘us and them’ style posts about those who make different lifestyle choices.

    There is a link to the forum rules if you wish to familiarise yourself with them.

    ed. For clarity and by a mod to edit quoted text
     
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  7. NicoleC1971

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    Modern grains being high GI and potentially gut damaging though less fart inducing. You pays your money, you takes your choice or you get a Soy bean burger!
     
  8. lucylocket61

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    It looks like soya and tofu have carbs in them, in varying amounts.
     
  9. lucylocket61

    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I looks like tofu has around the same amount of carbs as tomatoes, so I would have to be aware of this when carb counting.
     
  10. Mr_Pot

    Mr_Pot Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    My question was actually to @JohnEGreen who mentioned the avoidance of grain 2000 years ago. However there does seem to be a common opinion on here that grains are bad beyond the GI value.
     
  11. Diakat

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    I regularly eat tofu, alone it has no impact on my levels. I usually incorporate it in a meal so then count the carbs. Roughly 2g per serving...
     
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  12. lucylocket61

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    It appears that, providing the additional carbs are taken into account, tofu/soya is fine.

    Some, like me, were unaware of the carbs in them, as many proteins do not have carbs.
     
  13. JohnEGreen

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    Bigu like veganism is also a spiritual or ethical matter
    That you would have to a Taoist I am not one I merely was pointing out that tofu was not invented to avoid meat but grains although some Taoists are vegetarians not all are.

    Personally I am not that fond of either except of course for baked beans which I have not eaten in a long while.

    Taoist generally adhere to the Yin Yang principle of balance.

    Yin foods are believed to be cool and thought to moisten your body. Yang foods are believed to be warm and drying.
    The yin or yang characteristics of a certain food have less to do with its actual temperature or moisture level than its purported energy properties and effects on your body.
    "Cool" or yin foods are generally low in calories and high in potassium. They’re recommended in hot weather. "Hot" or yang foods tend to be higher in calories and sodium. They’re recommended in colder months to help warm your body.

    Common yin foods include:
    soy products, such as tofu and soybean sprouts
    certain meats, such as crab and duck
    fruit, such as watermelon and star fruit
    vegetables, such as watercress, cucumbers, carrots, and cabbage
    cold drinks and water
    Common yang foods include:
    most foods that are high in fat, protein, calories, and sodium
    certain meats, such as chicken, pork, and beef
    warm spices, such as cinnamon, nutmeg, and ginger
    eggs, glutinous rice, sesame oil, bamboo, and mushrooms
    alcoholic beverages
     
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  14. Oldvatr

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    Supermarket tofu has carbs in it, and the people that are in the know use the fermented forms of tofu such as tempeh. This removes some of the protective phytocemicals that soya has to protect it and turns the carbs into resistnt starch. What is often left out is that some 40% of the population is badly affected by eating soy products in the unfermented version and there was a big scandal over textured vegetable protein (TVP) used in commercial ready meals.

    It is also a misnomer that animal feed is using up the rainforest. Soya is deadly for ruminants such as cattle and pigs and sheep, but is fed primarily to poultry along with expensve corn. Blame the birds for deforestation There is soya put into cattle cake, but it is only the left over husks which would normally be burnt or treated as waste products since no one else eats the husk except possibly some beetles. The husk helps to reduce methane production as roughage does for us.
     
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    I tend not to eat commercial ready meals but what was this scandal @Oldvatr ?
     
  16. Antje77

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    My dinner tonight has supermarket tofu in it, so I fished the package from the bin to check. It has 1 gram carbs per 100 grams.
    The tempeh from the same supermarket has 5.5 grams per 100 grams.
     
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    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...chinas-farmers-can-survive-us-soybean-imports

    Although cattle and sheep cannot digest large amounts of soybeans, A large amount of soybeans are used for pig food in China. More of it is being imported from Brazil and Argentina since tariffs were introduced in the US/China trade war. Rainforest and grasslands are being cleared to produce soybeans. The proportion eaten by people is relatively small.
     
  18. Oldvatr

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    When TVP was introduced into TV dinners, packet dinners and especially in things like Vesta meals and early pot noodles, there were reports of people falling ill after eating TVP based products. It was initially feared that it was a problem with production process contamination leading to food poisoning, but eventually it was narrowed down to a soya allergen which has now been filtered out somewhere in the supply chain. However it was taken quite seriously when I was a relative youngster. A friend of mine has suffered a reaction to Edame beans, which indicates that this form of soy may still contain the allergen. I find they give me painful wind, but I survive without too much discomfort. Bsked beans have a similar effect on some.
    https://www.livestrong.com/article/495664-harmful-effects-of-textured-vegetable-protein/
     
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  20. Antje77

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    Your tempeh seems to have a completely different breakdown than mine: https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi232355/ah-tempeh
    Besides, yours gives the breakdown per 167 grams instead of per 100, which makes for a very hard calculation.

    Walking off 1 cup of the stuff? Do you mean calories? People need calories to sustain them or we would starve. Calories aren't even mentioned in the opening post so I don't get where that comes in.
    If you mean walking off the carbs, at 5.5 grams per 100 grams it fully counts as a low carb food.
     
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