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Hello From The Diabetic 'Doctor'
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cugila
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Re: Hello From The Diabetic Doctor
There is no censorship here, only moderation.
Unfortunately some people seem to want a free for all. There are rules as stated. I suggest you read them. Inflammatory comments are not tolerated.
There is no censorship here, only moderation.
Unfortunately some people seem to want a free for all. There are rules as stated. I suggest you read them. Inflammatory comments are not tolerated.
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Re: Hello From The Diabetic Doctor
You seem to want to have your cake and eat it too.
Probably not the best phrase to use on a diabetic forum I know :lol:
PM readsugarless sue said:
What like thesecugila said:
Doczoc said:
cugila said:
You seem to want to have your cake and eat it too.
Probably not the best phrase to use on a diabetic forum I know :lol:
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Right just for everyone's information ,this is the PM I sent to Sid.
Now if anyone disagrees with this,that we want to check the credentials of anyone purporting to be a medical professional and advising members, then they may contact admin about it.
We do not want anyone giving medical advice on this forum without proof of who they are.We have Dr Katharine onsite as a mod and an advisor .Any medical professional who wishes to contribute in a professional manner may do so as long as they provide evidence that they are who they say they are.
Obviously we also have members who advise through their own experiences and by providing links to outside sites,this is what the forum is about helping and supporting each other in trying to control our diabetes.
Right just for everyone's information ,this is the PM I sent to Sid.
Now if anyone disagrees with this,that we want to check the credentials of anyone purporting to be a medical professional and advising members, then they may contact admin about it.
We do not want anyone giving medical advice on this forum without proof of who they are.We have Dr Katharine onsite as a mod and an advisor .Any medical professional who wishes to contribute in a professional manner may do so as long as they provide evidence that they are who they say they are.
Obviously we also have members who advise through their own experiences and by providing links to outside sites,this is what the forum is about helping and supporting each other in trying to control our diabetes.
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As one of the Moderating team here I am in full agreement with what Sue has stated.
I was present that night and agree with all that has been said. We have a duty to verify that someone who uses the title Dr. is entitled to use it. We have several people on here who are entitled to use that term but they joined without using it as ordinary members.
As one of the Moderating team here I am in full agreement with what Sue has stated.
I was present that night and agree with all that has been said. We have a duty to verify that someone who uses the title Dr. is entitled to use it. We have several people on here who are entitled to use that term but they joined without using it as ordinary members.
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Re: Hello From The Diabetic Doctor
I think that there were a lot of imflammatory statements made in this thread by various people, including one that was deleted 2 days later.
The op was questioned on his dietary views. Unsurprisingly his answers did not find favour with some people and the questioning became more intense.
He was then challenged with a statement about carbohydrates written by Sir Heneage Ogilvie ex president of the Royal College of surgeons and told that one of his peers had different opinions .
What was not made clear was that the quotation came from the preface to a diet book, written over 50 years ago. Sir Ogilve died in 1971, before Dr H was born so could hardly be considered a peer much less one of his colleagues who he was later dismissively told to consult..
Again unsurprisingly, he reacted to this quotation, which is contrary to most modern mainstream advice and the thread went downhill from there onwards.
As to the questions of credentials, in principle I agree with that. I have come across several imposters on the internet. if people use them, they should be checked out. Perhaps it would have been better not to have started asking the original poster leading questions . I do hope this policy it is applied to all who claim and use their professional qualifications on this site.
I think that there were a lot of imflammatory statements made in this thread by various people, including one that was deleted 2 days later.
The op was questioned on his dietary views. Unsurprisingly his answers did not find favour with some people and the questioning became more intense.
He was then challenged with a statement about carbohydrates written by Sir Heneage Ogilvie ex president of the Royal College of surgeons and told that one of his peers had different opinions .
What was not made clear was that the quotation came from the preface to a diet book, written over 50 years ago. Sir Ogilve died in 1971, before Dr H was born so could hardly be considered a peer much less one of his colleagues who he was later dismissively told to consult..
Again unsurprisingly, he reacted to this quotation, which is contrary to most modern mainstream advice and the thread went downhill from there onwards.
As to the questions of credentials, in principle I agree with that. I have come across several imposters on the internet. if people use them, they should be checked out. Perhaps it would have been better not to have started asking the original poster leading questions . I do hope this policy it is applied to all who claim and use their professional qualifications on this site.
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Re: Hello From The Diabetic Doctor
In respect of your comment regarding Professional qualifications I suggest you address that question to the Forum Administrator.
In respect of your comment regarding Professional qualifications I suggest you address that question to the Forum Administrator.
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Re: Hello From The Diabetic Doctor
As it seems we are sharing our Private messages, here is my reply to Sue
I wasn't aware he was offering any medical advice, just his own opinions which differed from yours.
Perhaps you would like to prove your really sugarless :wink:
Absolute codswallop, Dr H as I have already said in my answer to Sue, never professed to be offering medical advice, in fact he made it quite clear that he was a surgeon (or an over-glorified butcher)
So you want him to prove that he is a Dr now before his opinions are allowed to be heard. Do we all have to prove our bona fides before we offer an opinion? Or does it only apply to surgeons...
As it seems we are sharing our Private messages, here is my reply to Sue
I wasn't aware he was offering any medical advice, just his own opinions which differed from yours.
Perhaps you would like to prove your really sugarless :wink:
cugila said:
Absolute codswallop, Dr H as I have already said in my answer to Sue, never professed to be offering medical advice, in fact he made it quite clear that he was a surgeon (or an over-glorified butcher)
Dr H said:
So you want him to prove that he is a Dr now before his opinions are allowed to be heard. Do we all have to prove our bona fides before we offer an opinion? Or does it only apply to surgeons...
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Sid. You said.
cugila wrote:
We have a duty to verify that someone who uses the title Dr. is entitled to use it.
Absolute codswallop, Dr H as I have already said in my answer to Sue, never professed to be offering medical advice, in fact he made it quite clear that he was a surgeon (or an over-glorified butcher
Sid
You are entitled to your opinion. However if you wish to look at Dr. H's posts since he joined here quite clearly he is advising the members on a variety of subjects using the title Dr. That is clearly medical advice.
Here is a brief example:
Dr H wrote:
Hi,
I'd just thought that I'd wade in. You should assume that the simvastatin isn't causing the muscle pain, and instead assume it's poor blood sugar control. But you need to have a rethink of your diet.
I rest my case.
Sid. You said.
cugila wrote:
We have a duty to verify that someone who uses the title Dr. is entitled to use it.
Absolute codswallop, Dr H as I have already said in my answer to Sue, never professed to be offering medical advice, in fact he made it quite clear that he was a surgeon (or an over-glorified butcher
Sid
You are entitled to your opinion. However if you wish to look at Dr. H's posts since he joined here quite clearly he is advising the members on a variety of subjects using the title Dr. That is clearly medical advice.
Here is a brief example:
Dr H wrote:
Hi,
I'd just thought that I'd wade in. You should assume that the simvastatin isn't causing the muscle pain, and instead assume it's poor blood sugar control. But you need to have a rethink of your diet.
I rest my case.
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OK Sid,enough!
I informed you of the reasons for this moderating decision,a thing that I did not have to d
n other internet forums arguing and disagreeing with the moderators is a banning offence ,we are a bit more tolerant however.
If you think that members should be given unsound advice from people who say they are doctors without proof then I just hope that you never take some of that advice with adverse effects.
I now consider subject closed as far as I am concerned,Please take it up with admin if you are not happy with it.
OK Sid,enough!
I informed you of the reasons for this moderating decision,a thing that I did not have to d
n other internet forums arguing and disagreeing with the moderators is a banning offence ,we are a bit more tolerant however.If you think that members should be given unsound advice from people who say they are doctors without proof then I just hope that you never take some of that advice with adverse effects.
I now consider subject closed as far as I am concerned,Please take it up with admin if you are not happy with it.
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I'm all ears, but let's keep it calm and civil.
This is an interesting debate - because it reinforces exactly what I've been saying since I joined this forum (under a different nick).
I agree with Sue that someone claiming to be a doctor needs to have their credentials checked. However, it is the nature of the check that concerns me - how do you do it Sue? As far as I can tell anyone can go to the GMC site, pick up any doctor's details and claim to be them.
Coming to Cugila's excellent point though - there is a trust relationship between reader and read, and we're less likely to trust someone who disagrees with us.
Personally, I find being accused of being psychologically flawed inflammatory, especially when that view was confirmed by a moderator - and a senior one at that. Similarly I find being told who I should or should not trust very patronising - I am after all, old and ugly enough to make that particular decision for myself.
I agree with Sid though, I don't think Dr H has offered any medical advice on this forum - just his opinion - which, I believe we are all entitled to do, cause the forum rules actually say:
Just as the forum rules also say
Surely then, if the post is valid, and the moderators don't like the answer they can choose not to reply too?
George.
I agree with Sue that someone claiming to be a doctor needs to have their credentials checked. However, it is the nature of the check that concerns me - how do you do it Sue? As far as I can tell anyone can go to the GMC site, pick up any doctor's details and claim to be them.
Coming to Cugila's excellent point though - there is a trust relationship between reader and read, and we're less likely to trust someone who disagrees with us.
Personally, I find being accused of being psychologically flawed inflammatory, especially when that view was confirmed by a moderator - and a senior one at that. Similarly I find being told who I should or should not trust very patronising - I am after all, old and ugly enough to make that particular decision for myself.
I agree with Sid though, I don't think Dr H has offered any medical advice on this forum - just his opinion - which, I believe we are all entitled to do, cause the forum rules actually say:
Just as the forum rules also say
and...
Surely then, if the post is valid, and the moderators don't like the answer they can choose not to reply too?
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I think all of this raises very important questions about using a forum, and the relationship between posters and readers. In an environment where anyone can claim anything, or portray themselves exactly as they wish, there are always going to be clashes.
I am in full support of the moderators - I know that they act out of the desire to keep the forum to its intended purpose - serving the diabetes community.
Personally, I'm 27 years old. This forum was my attempt to give something back to the diabetic community via my employment. I never expected it to grow to anything like this size, or to have much personal involvement in it. This forum has always been for the use of people with diabetes, to do with as they will. Getting panned and slated from all sides is discouraging, but it comes with the territory.
Having a moderator team who understand the condition and have the best interests of the community at heart is essential, and I think it is easy to forget how hard this job is. In this instance, let's all learn some lessons and move on.
I am in full support of the moderators - I know that they act out of the desire to keep the forum to its intended purpose - serving the diabetes community.
Personally, I'm 27 years old. This forum was my attempt to give something back to the diabetic community via my employment. I never expected it to grow to anything like this size, or to have much personal involvement in it. This forum has always been for the use of people with diabetes, to do with as they will. Getting panned and slated from all sides is discouraging, but it comes with the territory.
Having a moderator team who understand the condition and have the best interests of the community at heart is essential, and I think it is easy to forget how hard this job is. In this instance, let's all learn some lessons and move on.
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Hi Bungle.
You stated this:
Personally, I find being accused of being psychologically flawed inflammatory, especially when that view was confirmed by a moderator - and a senior one at that.
Can you please state your source for this allegation ? It would be helpful.
You stated this:
Personally, I find being accused of being psychologically flawed inflammatory, especially when that view was confirmed by a moderator - and a senior one at that.
Can you please state your source for this allegation ? It would be helpful.
I have no intention of arguing what is and what isn't inflammatory, the thread was locked, and, IMO all to the good - other members may bewail the locking of threads but in certain circumstances it is perfectly valid. My intention was to point out that it is possible to ignore posts one finds inflammatory, perhaps even more importantly it's possible to add people to your enemies list - so that you don't even have to see posts from members whos posts regularly get your blood going. Moderator's don't have that luxury, and I can appreciate how mind numbingly dull it can be reading the same bilious outpourings day after day after night after night.
As a former cop I'm sure you can understand how important it is to hear both from both sides and how important it is not to enter a situation with preconceived ideas. Isn't that a moderator's role? Ensuring that people can express opinion, within the rules of the forum, without experiencing personal attack? If not, then it's no wonder a riot occurs everytime someone dare mention anything about food. Of course if that isn't your interpretation of a moderator's role - then the value of this forum is lost isn't it?
George.
As a former cop I'm sure you can understand how important it is to hear both from both sides and how important it is not to enter a situation with preconceived ideas. Isn't that a moderator's role? Ensuring that people can express opinion, within the rules of the forum, without experiencing personal attack? If not, then it's no wonder a riot occurs everytime someone dare mention anything about food. Of course if that isn't your interpretation of a moderator's role - then the value of this forum is lost isn't it?
George.
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Hi Bungle..or should I say Tubolard
You should know that you gave yourself away in your previous posts. Not like you at all Tubs.
It was nice of you to come all the way over from your DFL forum and offer me your advice, So helpful of you. Thank you so much for helping me to come to my decision Tubs.
As you are well aware duplicate accounts are not allowed on this forum. Especially from already banned members.
So Tubs, it's Goodbye from me. You are now banned.
Ken.
You should know that you gave yourself away in your previous posts. Not like you at all Tubs.
It was nice of you to come all the way over from your DFL forum and offer me your advice, So helpful of you. Thank you so much for helping me to come to my decision Tubs.
As you are well aware duplicate accounts are not allowed on this forum. Especially from already banned members.
So Tubs, it's Goodbye from me. You are now banned.
Ken.
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