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Help..Getting bored with veg and dairy

Bluetit1802 said:
No, I'm not bored. Who could get bored of steak, salmon, strawberries and cream, bacon and eggs. I'm over 3 years down the line now and still enjoying my food. However, I do eat to my meter, and that has told me I can manage 2 small new potatoes with butter on, or 6 to 8 homemade chips. I cannot manage normal or wholemeal bread at all. I am not a rice or pasta lover so they don't bother me, and I don't have a sweet tooth at all..

Have you got a Lidl near you? You may find the high protein rolls satisfy any urge for bread and toast.
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No I have only an Aldi, and they don't sell them. I am not really getting bored with salmon, meat,bacon..Although I won't eat too much bacon as that is processed. Its not having some carbs with my dinner. I find lunch times hard because if I eat veg at lunch time,I really do not want it for dinner.
 
There are some of us who do better very low carb for other reasons then blood sugar ( though of course that helps ). I don't digest carbs at all. Especially grains, starches and sugars. If I eat too many veggies I get bloated and tired. If I don't digest them I don't absorb them. Not to mention feeling awful. My sweet tooth is gone so the only fruit I eat is avocado.
I have had stomach issues for a long time. Sadly my daughters is worse than mine. I can't FIX mine but I can control it. I don't eat slabs of protein but I eat some animal/ fish protein everyday. I eat 80% healthy fat diet, 15% protein and 5% carbs. Nor do I eat tons of calories. I listen to my body. It's the boss of me. Not to mention some food intolerances like grains, dairy ( though I sneak a little in) and nightshade veggies ( drooling over the wheelbarrow of tomatoes! I so miss those )

Point is, some of us have other health issues other than diabetes that need to be considered in our diets.
 
donnellysdogs said:
I have to stick to same foods and no I dont get bored. Frustrated yes!! However, i know if I eat wrong foods I'll pay for it in pain so guess I put up with it.
Still find interesting ways to have broccoli everyday, and courgette but because I need as much mushy veg as possible I do have parsnip, bnut squash, swede.
Even my sauces if I do them are variations on a theme as I'm not allowed onion or tomato or meat due to stomach/colon probs.
Only meat I can eat is corned beef so Hubby does a great corned beef hash of mushy veg... have a great crustless broccoli quiche, good variation of fish pie (just with veg in a pesto/cheese sauce).

I realised that my thoughts ref food are only about 5 seconds after looking at if I or hubby distract my thoughts away... so its finally getting less frustration with myself although for me it will always play some annoyance at times with myself.. not boredomthough..you,soryobulitsweetpotatand
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Bluetit1802 said:
No, I'm not bored. Who could get bored of steak, salmon, strawberries and cream, bacon and eggs. I'm over 3 years down the line now and still enjoying my food. However, I do eat to my meter, and that has told me I can manage 2 small new potatoes with butter on, or 6 to 8 homemade chips. I cannot manage normal or wholemeal bread at all. I am not a rice or pasta lover so they don't bother me, and I don't have a sweet tooth at all..

Have you got a Lidl near you? You may find the high protein rolls satisfy any urge for bread and toast.
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No Lidl here only Aldi. They have not got the rolls. I eat all of which you mention,but its just sweet potato,and grains I miss. I cook loads of different foods and different variations as I have always loved to cook. I wont eat to much bacon as it is processed,or to mu
phonic2k said:
and all these on zero-carb have reversed diabetes or just controlling?

That's not reversing, but just controlling the problem, and even makes it worse as when they start eating carbs again, they find the body can't cope as well as it did before due to increased insulin resistance, so they cut carbs lower and lower, cutting out all fruit and vegetables, and replacing with even more animal fat. How can that be a solution or even heathy?

More importantly the proof is in the results, and if you're still avoiding carbs due to insulin resistance, then I would give it a try. Btw, I now eat 250-300g carbs a day and this morning my fasting was 4.4mmol/l(yesterday was 3.9) and after breakfast 5.0. I've even had a FGT test a week ago( I needed to know if I really reversed it or not), and passed it...so I'm defiantly not controlling, but have fully reversed it.

btw, Vegetarian or Vegan are not diets, and some still eat the wrong food types. Vegetarians for example still eat high amounts of animal fat. It's not about being a vegetarian or vegan, but the type of fat, carbohydrate, and protein we eat, and how and when to exercise.
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@derry60 Have you tried a small portion of sweet potato? It COULD well be your body can cope with it, but you would have to test it out a few times with the same quantity and same meal, making sure there are very few other carbs in the meal. If you miss it so much, it is surely worth a try. As I said earlier, ordinary new spuds (2 at a time) are fine for me, I am relieved to say. I have also read of others on here that can cope with ordinary or sweet potato in small portions.
 
phonic2k said:
and all these on zero-carb have reversed diabetes or just controlling?

That's not reversing, but just controlling the problem, and even makes it worse as when they start eating carbs again, they find the body can't cope as well as it did before due to increased insulin resistance, so they cut carbs lower and lower, cutting out all fruit and vegetables, and replacing with even more animal fat. How can that be a solution or even heathy?

More importantly the proof is in the results, and if you're still avoiding carbs due to insulin resistance, then I would give it a try. Btw, I now eat 250-300g carbs a day and this morning my fasting was 4.4mmol/l(yesterday was 3.9) and after breakfast 5.0. I've even had a FGT test a week ago( I needed to know if I really reversed it or not), and passed it...so I'm defiantly not controlling, but have fully reversed it.

btw, Vegetarian or Vegan are not diets, and some still eat the wrong food types. Vegetarians for example still eat high amounts of animal fat. It's not about being a vegetarian or vegan, but the type of fat, carbohydrate, and protein we eat, and how and when to exercise.
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I must admit I do worry about the restriction on other foods. Am I losing out on certain nutrients? I miss carrots also, healthy grains and certain fruits. I also love swede. I think that if I introduced carrot and swede back into my foods, I would not crave other carbs so much. I have read that Sweet Potato is good for people with diabetes (I am pre diabetic) I have a heart condition so stay away from too much bacon as its processed meat, and I will only eat lean meat. My cholesterol has been good for 12 years and do not want to ruin that. I think that I may introduce 20 grams of grains and see what my meter says.
 
Bluetit1802 said:
@derry60 Have you tried a small portion of sweet potato? It COULD well be your body can cope with it, but you would have to test it out a few times with the same quantity and same meal, making sure there are very few other carbs in the meal. If you miss it so much, it is surely worth a try. As I said earlier, ordinary new spuds (2 at a time) are fine for me, I am relieved to say. I have also read of others on here that can cope with ordinary or sweet potato in small portions.
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Yes I will try that and make a smaller portion of other foods on my plate. : )
 
Resurgam said:
Controlling diabetes doesn't mean eating no fruit or veg - I can't imagine how you have got that idea nor why you would keep repeating it.
Eating fresh salad, low carb vegetables, low sugar berries and a wide variety of other foods is not a hardship, and I am not just a well controlled diabetic I have normal levels of blood glucose. It is a perfect solution to the problem as far as I am concerned and there are many others who have found the same.
The usual process is exactly the reverse of what you are suggesting - by using a meter and testing out foods it is normal for low carbers to expand the range of foods they find that they can eat, and as they feel better many up the amounts they eat and they also take more exercise as their energy levels rise. That is not a symptom of increasing insulin resistance but the exact opposite.
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Yes but that is the only fruit that we eat (Berries) I have heard Kiwi is ok and some people can eat Papaya fruit. You say that it is not a hardship, for some, it can be. I used to love couscous with peppers, mushrooms, onions, herbs, quinoa the same, and Sweet potato. If I feel peckish, I do not always want nuts or a couple of sticks of celery or a handful of berries lol. I have a heart condition and always ate a healthy balanced diet with my grains, then after being good for 10 years I kind of started to eat the wrong foods and put on weight. 10 years of no high sugar. Could the high sugar be due to my weight gain and not intolerance of grains? or to larger food portions? This is what I will have to find out. I have lost weight since being on this low carb diet though,and my BG levels are bang on,but am concerned that somewhere down the future line am I missing out on certain nutrients. They have said that there has not been a long term study on a very low carb diet,but now seems ok.
 
@derry60

I'm not sure which nutrients you feel you may be missing out on. Are you talking vitamins and minerals? If so, there is no need to be short of any of these on a low carb diet.
 
Hi @derry60 If you fancy bread, there are several lower carb varieties available in the major supermarkets now. If you only have an Aldi and nothing else, you could try making some. I like this recipe Or go without bread and just eat the stuff you would put in/on it.

Have you tried cauliflower rice? I have used it for rice, couscous, risotto, jambalaya etc. If you are missing breakfast cereals, you can toast chopped nuts and seeds in a dry frying pan with a little ground ginger and sweetener if you like to make muesli. Better than shop bought in my opinion.

Carrots might be better raw than cooked. I find it easier to eat more when they are cooked. Testing will help you find out. It is good that you like cooking. Try not to feel like you are missing out on anything. There are lot of other things to try. Good luck.
 
derry60 said:
Yes I can see what you mean. I would have carrot and swede mash with greens
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We all have different tolerance levels. My personal one is - zero carbs before lunch, and under 20g per meal for lunch and evening meal. If I overdo the 20g I spike. It is down to regular testing and experimenting with what your tolerance is.
 
The thing is veg like bnut squash or sweet potatos , carrots, swede etc do have lots of vitamins in that greens dont.
I really think that trying other veg and checking your meter is more imoortant than getting bored.
Like Kristin251 I also have stomach/colon probs and have to limit food as we do not want pain/nausea/hospitals... but we do look at the whole nutrition and not just diabetes.
I would seriously try a little of a thing you miss and see what happens.... mix in with food that you know is ok and try a teaspoon or two.. you dont have to eat a huge sweet potato... try one food at a time...you may be suprised
 
Sat fat does not cause heart disease, carbs and seed/vegetable oils do. Your body needs sat fat not least to siate your hunger.
 
donnellysdogs said:
I have real concern around people concentrating on just one aspect and that is just looking at diabetes.... insulin resistance is now being connected with cancer and as said a lot recently by me, please read and look at details from Prof Robert Thomas regarding the importance of polyphenols from plants in health as a whole. He looks at everything and has done major research regarding foods.
Its ok if you just want to look at diabetes but this is not known to be such a fatal disease as cancer...
Please before looking at just one aspect give a consideration to improving whole health. Ie Prof talks a lot about insulin resistance and no cereals for breakfast, no porridge etc. He is on the side of fewer carbs etc for insulin resistance but when he did research on foods it didnt show meat or dairy etc as the healthiest. It was broccoli and turmeric.. not only good for diabetics, arthritis, but cancer too.

Personally I think an all round insulin resistance approach has to be looked at.
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I can see where you are coming from here and you have worded it perfectly. While we are trying to control either pre diabetes or diabetes with this diet,we could be ignoring other benefits from other foods, for instance, my heart condition.I have been told to limit Sat fat because of my heart. My cholesterol has been good for 12 years since my heart attack,well 10 years because I kind of got a little naughty and ate the wrong foods 2 of those years, although did not raise my cholesterol too much, but did raise it never the less,goes to show wrong foods does have an affect. I have to think of my heart as well as my sugar levels.
 
donnellysdogs said:
The thing is veg like bnut squash or sweet potatos , carrots, swede etc do have lots of vitamins in that greens dont.
I really think that trying other veg and checking your meter is more imoortant than getting bored.
Like Kristin251 I also have stomach/colon probs and have to limit food as we do not want pain/nausea/hospitals... but we do look at the whole nutrition and not just diabetes.
I would seriously try a little of a thing you miss and see what happens.... mix in with food that you know is ok and try a teaspoon or two.. you dont have to eat a huge sweet potato... try one food at a time...you may be suprised
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Thank you I will do that. If i find out that I can eat these foods then I will keep my portion to a limited amount,because I love the weight that I have lost
 
wiflib said:
Sat fat does not cause heart disease, carbs and seed/vegetable oils do. Your body needs sat fat not least to siate your hunger.
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I used to eat lots of fat as I loved the fat off meat. The best was the boiled bacon fat. I liked my steak and kidney pies also. My cholesterol was through the roof. I stopped the sat fat and went onto eating Healthy grains, couscous,barley etc. My cholesterol went down to 3.4..then last two years,started to eat wrong foods again,and fat and cholesterol went back up..So I have laid off the sat fat again and just eat healthy fats,from fish olive oil ETC,when I ate grains or sweet potato I never felt hungry.
 
phonic2k said:
It’s well know comman knowledge these days that high amounts of animal fat increases insulin resistance. I’m surprised you don’t know about it. Google it, lots of research on the subject. I’ve been covering this on the radio with Dr Ing.

I would try going plant based for a while and see what a difference it makes to your health too in helping to reverse diabetes not just control.
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I'm sorry but saying that something is searchable by Google and 'common knowledge' is no proof of anything.
There are many people who would make the same claims about the earth being flat, that statins grant you longevity, and that humanity was created with the rest of the universe 4,000 years ago.

I would be very interested in seeing creditable, verifiable, peer reviewed research to back your claim that saturated fat will prevent T2s from 'reversing'. Could you also please clarify what you mean by 'reversing'?

When you do, I will be pleased to move your posts,and the relevant replies to another thread, so that they can be discussed properly, rather than derail this thread further.

The reason I ask is because if there is a creditable body of work supporting your claim then I am sure many people will be interested in having a proper discussion on the subject, rather than derailing this thread with random posts making unsubstantiated claims.
 
derry60 said:
I used to eat lots of fat as I loved the fat off meat. The best was the boiled bacon fat. I liked my steak and kidney pies also. My cholesterol was through the roof. I stopped the sat fat and went onto eating Healthy grains, couscous,barley etc. My cholesterol went down to 3.4..then last two years,started to eat wrong foods again,and fat and cholesterol went back up..So I have laid off the sat fat again and just eat healthy fats,from fish olive oil ETC,when I ate grains or sweet potato I never felt hungry.
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There are lots of reasons that cholesterol rises and falls. Switching to a diet lower in carbs, especially simple carbs, will lower cholesterol, as will going on lower calorie diets and reducing alcohol intake.

I am not saying you are wrong, just that there are many factors at work, and in the situation you describe there may well have been several of those factors in play.

For instance, a diet rich in pies, is a diet with red meat, processed low quality fats, highly processed carbs, and little fibre. All those things could be contrubutors, not just the saturated fat. Also, if a person is filling up on pies, they won't be eating other things which may have a beneficial impact. Especially when a lot of mass produced pastry is made with unhealthy fats.

Here is the ingredients list of a Fray Bentos Steak and Kidney Pie.
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=277597842
Ingredients:
Water, Puff Pastry (27%) (Wheatflour (with Calcium Carbonate, Iron, Niacin, Thiamin), Margarine (Palm Oil, Rapeseed Oil, Water, Salt, Emulsifier (Mono-and Diglycerides of Fatty Acids)), Water, Salt), Beef (12%), Pork Kidney (9%), Stabiliser (Xanthan Gum), Modified Maize Starch , Wheatflour (with Calcium Carbonate, Iron, Niacin, Thiamin), Salt, Spices, Yeast Extract, Flavouring, Tomato Paste, Barley Malt Extract, Beef Extract, Chicory Extract, Sugar, Colour (Plain Caramel), Tomato Powder, Garlic Powder

In the above, there is twice as much puff pastry as beef (kidney is low in fat), and all the added fat is margarine and veg oil.
I just think that blaming saturated fat for raised cholesterol in those circumstances is a bit too simplistic.
 
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Brunneria said:
I'm sorry but saying that something is searchable by Google and 'common knowledge' is no proof of anything.
There are many people who would make the same claims about the earth being flat, that statins grant you longevity, and that humanity was created with the rest of the universe 4,000 years ago.
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I hope I am misunderstanding this ridicule. Is this how the moderators here treat people who manage their condition without saturated fats? Disappointed doesn't come close.
 
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