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Moojii

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Hi everyone

I wa diagnosed in April 18 with a score of 96. Scared me to death as I felt so ill. Immediately cut all carbs out and my scores went 66, 48 and then Xmas up to 49.

Feel like I'm struggling since Xmas and need a boot up the rear.

Starting Lchf today. Is there a book or an app you would recommend?

How many carbs a day limit?

Feel a little lost and need a bit of guidance

Many thanks
 
A lot of people use carb manager to count their macros. I found dietdoctor.com great and ditchthecarbs.com for guidance and recipes. There’s a low carb high fat program associated with this website too.
 
What's good for snacks at work
Once you get the low carb way of eating going you may no longer feel the need to snack. However we all like something to nibble on from time to time. How about pork scratching, cold meat, cheese, olives (I personally hate them! :hungover:), 85% or darker chocolate or nuts?
 
Bag of pork scratchings, baby bel cheese or any other cheese, really, nuts (walnuts, pecans, macadamia's), extra dark chocolate (85% or higher)... Olives, cold cuts...
Snap! GMTA!
 
Once you get the low carb way of eating going you may no longer feel the need to snack. However we all like something to nibble on from time to time. How about pork scratching, cold meat, cheese, olives (I personally hate them! :hungover:), 85% or darker chocolate or nuts?
I do not understand the attraction of Olives!

Loathsome things lol.
 
I do not understand the attraction of Olives!

Loathsome things lol.
My best friend and I were in a restaurant, almost 20 years ago. Had never had an olive in his life. It freaked him out so much he spit it halfway across the room. So you're not alone. ;)
 
Olives are the work of the devil.

Many thanks for the welcome and advice

How many carbs total should I be looking to stay under per day

I have downloaded the carb manager to keep track
 
Olives are the work of the devil.

Many thanks for the welcome and advice

How many carbs total should I be looking to stay under per day

I have downloaded the carb manager to keep track
It varies person to person how many carbs. Many are keto low which is typically under 20g, (but can be up to 50g). Others find under 100g is enough to keep things under control, particularly if spread through the day. It’s a balance between what you find ok for your lifestyle and what amount gets your bgl where you want them.

Do you have a meter? It’s the best way to know how you’re doing day to day as opposed to waiting months to find out an average. Testing each meal before and after will show it’s effect.

Are you on any meds? Some that lower blood glucose will need careful monitoring and adjusting when you eat low carb so as to avoid going hypo. If you don’t eat the carbs you won’t need as much medication. Please be careful if this applies and keep a close eye on levels and ideally do it with your diabetic team’s cooperation.
 
It varies person to person how many carbs. Many are keto low which is typically under 20g, (but can be up to 50g). Others find under 100g is enough to keep things under control, particularly if spread through the day. It’s a balance between what you find ok for your lifestyle and what amount gets your bgl where you want them.

Do you have a meter? It’s the best way to know how you’re doing day to day as opposed to waiting months to find out an average. Testing each meal before and after will show it’s effect.

Are you on any meds? Some that lower blood glucose will need careful monitoring and adjusting when you eat low carb so as to avoid going hypo. If you don’t eat the carbs you won’t need as much medication. Please be careful if this applies and keep a close eye on levels and ideally do it with your diabetic team’s cooperation.

I'm on 3 metformin a day and test 3 times a day

Really don't know where to start g carbs a day Might give 100g a try and see where I go

Want to lose 5 stone

With the carb manager app if I set 100g carbs it hardly gives me any g of protein per day These can't be set independently ?
 
@Moojii
Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it interesting and helpful.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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Moojii, you're only on metformin, so don't need to worry about hypos; you can therefore go on a low carb diet without concern.
As previously said, the amount of carbs is up to you; you need to reduce the to the level which gives you the necessary blood glucose readings. 100g might be fine, but testing is the only way to know.
Regarding that, you say that you test 3 times a day; I suspect that may be a regimented 3 times a day, rather than testing when you need to in a planned manner. In the early days, I tested far more often then that to find out exactly what all the different meals I was eating did to me. Nowadays, I test very rarely because I know what happens.
You need initially to test before eating, then 2 hours after, to see the difference. If the difference is more than 2, you need to change something in that meal to reduce the carb content, and/or improve the type of carb. Also, see what the absolute figure is at + 2 hours. If it's more than 8, then change something again.
In the early days, until things settle down, it may be often more than 8, so go by the "not more than a rise of 2" route until things improve, then move on to the "not more than 8"
 
I'm on 3 metformin a day and test 3 times a day

Really don't know where to start g carbs a day Might give 100g a try and see where I go

Want to lose 5 stone

With the carb manager app if I set 100g carbs it hardly gives me any g of protein per day These can't be set independently ?
They can be altered. There’s a manual setting somewhere. Though without it in front of me I can’t remember how and I don’t use it anymore. Perhaps a current user can help soon. It’s probably set to a low fat setting by default. Not what you want. There are a lot of macro calculators online where you enter you body and activity details and what you want to achieve and it gives you a guide what macros you’ll need. Do a few and get a feel for typical levels.
 
If you can find a copy of Dr Atkins New Diet Revolution, the 2003 edition there is a lot of useful advice in there, about diabetes and foods - but the 100gm of carbs a day is above the level at which someone with an active lifestyle could expect to lose weight, according to the results Dr Atkins saw - and he saw an awful lot of people over the years.
At the moment I am still not losing weight on 40 gm of carbs a day, so I am feeling a bit peeved - will just have to accept that I ought to be more active I suppose.
 
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