History of Diabetes, and Modern Trends

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Diabetes mellitus appears to have been a death sentence in the ancient era. Aretaeus did attempt to treat it but could not give a good prognosis; he commented that "life (with diabetes) is short, disgusting and painful." (Wikipedia.)

All of the facts expressed in that rather Hobbesian quotation belong largely to the past. But: there is something about that quote that still resonates. So we get up, every day, and (mostly with brilliant success) prove it wrong!

Good night from America, where we are 5 hours behind the UK.
 

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Well it probably was in Ancient Greece, and can be in places in the world today.
I've spoken to a couple of Thais about it. They don't recognise the name, but both said a parent had 'sweet blood'. One told me her friend has given up her job to go back to village to look after father who sounds as if he is losing his feet. They seem to think it's due weight because of eating too much fatty pork. I try to explain they should cut out starchy foods like rice and noodles and fruit. But it's hard to get across. And Thais have this notion of 'destiny' where everything in life is pre-ordained because of your former life.

Thailand is 7 hours behind UK time so I've just got up.
 
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The Ancient Greeks (and the Romans) leave me cold. I am interested, though, in Banting and his story. A modern man with the willingness to research in what must have been a time when every obstacle overcome must have proved painstakingly slow compared to the wealth of information at our fingertips today.
Perhaps I shall take time out from my learning of Diabetes to read on he who started the ball rolling.
 
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The Hausa have a name for Diabetes, it's chiwan zaki 'wound of sweetness'. Not sure if my spelling's right. Treatment may be better now but in the three and a half years we lived in sub-Saharan West Africa back in the 70s people only ever said "My cousin died of it," "My brother died of it," "My aunty died of it." The only other person I came across was another Brit; he was pretty fearless and had driven across the Sahara with his insulin wrapped in a few socks, at least that was what he said he'd done. I believe him.
 
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William Banting, the British undertaker.

My goodness. I had never heard of him -- how extraordinary that he has the same last name as the Nobel laureate who discovered insulin.

A nice topic of research on a Monday morning as I try to put off actually Getting To Work (I work from home....).

William Banting, the undertaker: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Banting.
 

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My goodness. I had never heard of him -- how extraordinary that he has the same last name as the Nobel laureate who discovered insulin.

A nice topic of research on a Monday morning as I try to put off actually Getting To Work (I work from home....).

William Banting, the undertaker: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Banting.
Banting got the initial idea through his doctor who mentioned a French gentleman's findings but I cannot remember the Frenchmans name.
 
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William Banting mentions, in the preface to his 4th edition of A letter on Corpulence, his medical adviser Mr William Harvey, and also the writer of La physiologie du Gout, Brillat Savarin and also Bernard and Dancel, as all having given advice on diets low in carbohydrate.
 

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We already know that there are huge disparities in health care throughout the world. This is even worse with a complex chronic disease such as diabetes.

According to the latest report from the World Health Organization, "In general, primary health-care practitioners in low-income countries do not have access to the basic technologies needed to help people with diabetes properly manage their disease. Only one in three low- and middle-income countries report that the most basic technologies for diabetes diagnosis and management are generally available in primary health-care facilities." (Source: WHO Global Report on Diabetes http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/...ua=1&utm_source=blog&utm_campaign=rc_blogpost).

Rates of diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA) vary around the world. In the United Kingdom, about 4% of people with Type 1 diabetes develop DKA each year, while in Malaysia the condition affects about 25% a year. (Wikipedia.) For those who are relatively new to this diabetes thing, such as myself: DKA is a potentially life-threatening diabetes complication and a bit hard to encapsulate in one sentence. More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetic_ketoacidosis.

So, it may be that the thread title ("short, disgusting and painful") still pertains to the lives of many "people with diabetes" in the countries where resources make it impossible to provide proper treatment and education.
 
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@Grateful , hi, this is a thread I posted last year and it is a very interesting book ( it belonged to my mum)

A Handbook for Nurses 1910/14

Discussion in 'Type 1 Diabetes' started by Robinredbreast, Feb 14, 2016.


  1. A HANDBOOK FOR NURSES, Diabetes Mellitus
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    by J.K. Watson M.D.
    I was clearing out my dad's bungalow and found this book in the bookcase, I flicked through it and decided to take it home and not to a charity shop. The section on Diabetes mellitus is an eye opener and the book looks like it's from the 1910/1914 era.

    I thought it would be an interesting read, after reading the Life expectancy thread.
    Symptoms :- Many theories have been put forward to account for the disease. We shall be content to say that there is an excess of sugar in the blood, which instead of being utilised for the nutrition of the body, it is discharged in the urine. In addition to the symptoms already mentioned, the malady possesses certain well-marked features. Thirst is complained of, also a voracious appetite. The patient feels languid and tired, and loses flesh, sometimes rapidly. The outlook is usually unfavourable; for although a more or less complete cure may sometimes occur, especially when the disease attacks the middle-aged, yet the vast majority of cases die in from six months to four years. Death may occur from phthisis or pneumonia ( to which the diabetic is especially prone) from exhaustion, or from a condition of coma (diabetic coma)
    Management ;- Our principle object is to diminish the quantity of sugar in the urine. We also aim at supporting the strength and relieving symptoms, such as thirst and constipation.
    Diet :- The diet is of great importance.

    Many doctors believe in cutting off entirely or almost entirely that class of food which contains starch and sugar - namely, the carbohydrates. Others believe it is necessary and even best to only omit the quantity taken. Some of our commonest articles of diet contain starch : for example, bread, potatoes, peas, beans and turnips. The best guides for the regulation and restriction of the diet are (1) body - weight (2) condition of the urine, both as regards the quantity passed and the amount of sugar contained therein.
    The diabetic must lead a regular and quiet life. taking a moderate amount of exercise and carefully avoiding exposure to cold and wet.

    Drugs :-
    A very large number of drugs has been recommended for diabetes. The most valuable is opium, and one of it's active ingredients, codeia, is a favourite and commonly used remedy. Arsenic has it's advocates ; it is sometimes combined with opium. To relieve thirst, a slightly acidic drink often answers well, such as water containing a few drops of diluted sulphuric acid.
 

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@Grateful , hi, this is a thread I posted last year and it is a very interesting book ( it belonged to my mum)

A Handbook for Nurses 1910/14

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  1. A HANDBOOK FOR NURSES, Diabetes Mellitus
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    by J.K. Watson M.D.
    I was clearing out my dad's bungalow and found this book in the bookcase, I flicked through it and decided to take it home and not to a charity shop. The section on Diabetes mellitus is an eye opener and the book looks like it's from the 1910/1914 era.

    I thought it would be an interesting read, after reading the Life expectancy thread.
    Symptoms :- Many theories have been put forward to account for the disease. We shall be content to say that there is an excess of sugar in the blood, which instead of being utilised for the nutrition of the body, it is discharged in the urine. In addition to the symptoms already mentioned, the malady possesses certain well-marked features. Thirst is complained of, also a voracious appetite. The patient feels languid and tired, and loses flesh, sometimes rapidly. The outlook is usually unfavourable; for although a more or less complete cure may sometimes occur, especially when the disease attacks the middle-aged, yet the vast majority of cases die in from six months to four years. Death may occur from phthisis or pneumonia ( to which the diabetic is especially prone) from exhaustion, or from a condition of coma (diabetic coma)
    Management ;- Our principle object is to diminish the quantity of sugar in the urine. We also aim at supporting the strength and relieving symptoms, such as thirst and constipation.
    Diet :- The diet is of great importance.

    Many doctors believe in cutting off entirely or almost entirely that class of food which contains starch and sugar - namely, the carbohydrates. Others believe it is necessary and even best to only omit the quantity taken. Some of our commonest articles of diet contain starch : for example, bread, potatoes, peas, beans and turnips. The best guides for the regulation and restriction of the diet are (1) body - weight (2) condition of the urine, both as regards the quantity passed and the amount of sugar contained therein.
    The diabetic must lead a regular and quiet life. taking a moderate amount of exercise and carefully avoiding exposure to cold and wet.

    Drugs :-
    A very large number of drugs has been recommended for diabetes. The most valuable is opium, and one of it's active ingredients, codeia, is a favourite and commonly used remedy. Arsenic has it's advocates ; it is sometimes combined with opium. To relieve thirst, a slightly acidic drink often answers well, such as water containing a few drops of diluted sulphuric acid.

Sooooooo glad we're living now! Would have needed the opium to take the edge off the arsenic and the sulphuric acid
 

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Many doctors believe in cutting off entirely or almost entirely that class of food which contains starch and sugar - namely, the carbohydrates. Others believe it is necessary and even best to only omit the quantity taken. Some of our commonest articles of diet contain starch : for example, bread, potatoes, peas, beans and turnips. The best guides for the regulation and restriction of the diet are (1) body - weight (2) condition of the urine, both as regards the quantity passed and the amount of sugar contained therein.

It never fails to amaze me how the knowledge of our elders took a backseat when that (true) miracle, injected insulin, came along. The diet therapy was learned through trial-and-error, and science, over the course of more than a century in what amounted to experiments on real people. And it worked, on some people. This was well known and had been quite well refined by the early 1920s.

Diabetes back then was usually fatal, as your mum's nursing handbook makes clear, with many not surviving beyond about four years. But they also knew that a few of the people developing diabetes in middle age (who would almost all have been Type 2s) could enjoy a "more or less complete cure" with dietary changes. We now know that the word "cure" is misleading in that context, but the gist of that is correct.

Funny thing is, this knowledge never went away. I remember people talking about it when I was a child. This may have been because my British grandfather was a classic hypochondriac (and a former civil servant in various health-related roles) and was always talking knowledgeably about various diseases.

Anyway, when my diabetes diagnosis came (in a snail-mailed letter) and before I saw my doctor, my wife asked, "do you need to change your diet?" So I said, "nah, don't think so, that was the way diabetes was treated in the old days" and assumed (incorrectly, as it turned out) that the doctor would be prescribing pills! Of course it might have been appopriate to do so if control could not be achieved otherwise, but for the time being the "old ways" are working fine for me and, judging from this forum, a fair number of other people.

And of course the discovery of insulin was an absolute miracle, no doubt about it. Someone has probably, by now, figured out how many lives it has saved in the past century -- it must be in the tens, possibly hundreds, of millions by now. (Not to mention the other diabetes meds developed over the past few decades.)
 
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Sooooooo glad we're living now! Would have needed the opium to take the edge off the arsenic and the sulphuric acid

I know, Arsenic was used for many an ailment or 'cure'. I am so glad I sat down and flicked through this interesting book, or it may have gone to a charity shop like the others from the bookcase.................... :oops::wideyed: My mum became a nurse towards the end of WW11 and carried on, as an auxillary nurse, when I was a teenager, but I have no idea where the book originally came from :bookworm:
 
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My gt. gt. Grandfather died of diabetes in 1897. He died in Derby Royal Infirmary, aged 71. His death certificate just says "diabetes" for cause of death. I doubt he was T1 living to that age, and from photos I have, he was rather rotund.
 
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I have spent about a dozen years of my life in the Middle East. It turns out there is a big increase in diabetes in the Arab world.

"The prevalence of type-2 diabetes mellitus (T2DM) has increased dramatically during the last 2 decades, a fact driven by the increased prevalence of obesity, the primary risk factor for T2DM. The figures for diabetes in the Arab world are particularly startling as the number of people with diabetes is projected to increase by 96.2% by 2035. Genetic risk factors may play a crucial role in this uncontrolled raise in the prevalence of T2DM in the Middle Eastern region. However, factors such as obesity, rapid urbanization and lack of exercise are other key determinants of this rapid increase in the rate of T2DM in the Arab world. The unavailability of an effective program to defeat T2DM has serious consequences on the increasing rise of this disease, where available data indicates an unusually high prevalence of T2DM in Arabian children less than 18 years old. Living with T2DM is problematic as well, since T2DM has become the 5th leading cause of disability, which was ranked 10th as recently as 1990. Giving the current status of T2DM in the Arab world, a collaborative international effort is needed for fighting further spread of this disease." Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4835661/.
 
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Dear fellow forum members.

I have decided that the original title of this thread, "Short, Disgusting and Painful," while accurate in describing how the ancient Greeks viewed the disease, was a mistake and inappropriate.

This is because, although those of us who have lived with the disease for a while have had a chance to acquaint ourselves with the history of the disease and know what is being referenced, this is not necessarily the case for newly diagnosed members.

To see that phrase as the title of a thread now strikes me as insensitive, for those who could have been just-diagnosed and are looking for support. That is not to say that we should not have a no-holds-barred discussion right here, but I now feel the "shocking headline" was in poor taste and counter-productive.

(Edited to add: Unfortunately I may have been influenced by my history, in a former professional life, as a print-news reporter who used to write headlines and was supposed to make them catchy!)

The forum software is amazing by the way. This is the first forum I have been a member of that gives an average member like me the choice to change the title of a thread after it has been created!
 
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William Banting mentions, in the preface to his 4th edition of A letter on Corpulence, his medical adviser Mr William Harvey, and also the writer of La physiologie du Gout, Brillat Savarin and also Bernard and Dancel, as all having given advice on diets low in carbohydrate.
Nice cheese too... Brillat-Savarin that is .. not Banting cheese..