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how can this be possible?

greener

greener

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hello!

yesterday around 8pm I ate 1 shish kebab, 1 kofte kebab and a bit of donner kebab. I also ate salad with vinegrette, tarama and humus (around 50g each). Last, I drank a diet coke. Also, I ate like a spoon of rice that came with the kebabs.

Isn't that a very low carb meal?

yet I woke up 14h later with 7.2mmol/L!!!

I really don't understand, is it not that much the amount of carbs we eat, but the amount of food? Maybe fasting is the best way to control diabetes or eating very low amounts of food and ofcourse with not many carbs, but mainly it is the amount?

any ideas?
 
As a type 1, I can say that meal like this would send me high if I didn't cover it with quite a lot insulin (much more than just a carb content).
veI noticed as well that size of the meals matters a lot and eating little but often is much better strategy to control bg levels
 
why would it spike your glucose? I don't think there are many carbs in that meal!

so I could still eat a bit of chocolate cake with my coffee?
or maybe some chips and rice with my steak?
I should focus more on amounts and not carb content?
or it will be harder to control my appetite that way?

also who is vel?
 
Cheap processed meats are bulked out with breadcrumbs, rusks, starch and other high carb gunge.
The 'meat' was probably 50% carby rubbish.
 
greener said:
hello!

yesterday around 8pm I ate 1 shish kebab, 1 kofte kebab and a bit of donner kebab. I also ate salad with vinegrette, tarama and humus (around 50g each). Last, I drank a diet coke. Also, I ate like a spoon of rice that came with the kebabs.

Isn't that a very low carb meal?

yet I woke up 14h later with 7.2mmol/L!!!

I really don't understand, is it not that much the amount of carbs we eat, but the amount of food? Maybe fasting is the best way to control diabetes or eating very low amounts of food and ofcourse with not many carbs, but mainly it is the amount?

any ideas?
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Are you sure that you are not confusuing any early morning glucose rise due to Dawn Phenomemon with what you ate the night before?

It is not a very low carb meal @greener . Some people on this forum are eating less than 20g of carbs per day. I'd say you're in the category of moderate carb intake, much like myself,


greener said:
why would it spike your glucose? I don't think there are many carbs in that meal!

so I could still eat a bit of chocolate cake with my coffee?
or maybe some chips and rice with my steak?
I should focus more on amounts and not carb content?
or it will be harder to control my appetite that way?

also who is vel?
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You can eat whatever you want, it's your decision where to set the limits! Just keep testing and find out what's right for YOU.

(and I think @ewelina probably meant to to write "I've" .)
 
greener said:
hello!

yesterday around 8pm I ate 1 shish kebab, 1 kofte kebab and a bit of donner kebab. I also ate salad with vinegrette, tarama and humus (around 50g each). Last, I drank a diet coke. Also, I ate like a spoon of rice that came with the kebabs.

Isn't that a very low carb meal?

yet I woke up 14h later with 7.2mmol/L!!!

I really don't understand, is it not that much the amount of carbs we eat, but the amount of food? Maybe fasting is the best way to control diabetes or eating very low amounts of food and ofcourse with not many carbs, but mainly it is the amount?

any ideas?
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Hi, I found that I could eat 2 faggots in gravy without a spike, but 3 faggots had a significant effect on me. So yes, too much protein will convert to glucose eventually and spike you.

The spoonful of rice is a spoonful of sugar as far as your body is concerned.

Diet coke is not as innocent as we think. I find a single can pushes my sugar up by 2 mmol/L and my T1D buddy also sees the same rise when he drinks it. It is the artificial sweetner used.
PS Coca Cola company now makes the Innocent smoothies that were once pushed as being healthy. They are not........The processing destroys vital fibre necessary to help metabolise the fructose in it.

As for fasting, there is a debate in progress, and interesting studies being carried out on this. I use it in a small way (i,e, about 8-10 hour periods) and I think it helps me, but I have not done any proper monitoring myself. Fasting can make the body give itself a liver dump which defeats the object of the exercise IMO
 
Hummus is a problem for me, I'd hit double figures whenever I had some, only way is to eat then test, 14hrs is a long time to try and guess what would be causing the rise in BG. I test new foods or one I'm unsure of post meal 1hr 2hr and 4hr if the 2hr test is still rising.
 
the vinaigrette, hummus, diet coke would put my sugar up. Hummus is made from chick peas which is a carb and it would depend how much they used in the dip. But chick peas themselves are 61g of carb per 100 grams... also it's a low GI carb so would keep your sugar level more stable for longer and not the peak and sudden drop. You had the rice and I'm not sure if you had any flat bread with your kebab? But you did have a few carbs there so that probably explains your sugar level.
 
greener said:
why would it spike your glucose? I don't think there are many carbs in that meal!

so I could still eat a bit of chocolate cake with my coffee?
or maybe some chips and rice with my steak?
I should focus more on amounts and not carb content?
or it will be harder to control my appetite that way?

also who is vel?
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Have a look online, Google and then you would find out how high it is, also pre diabetic sites could help as well.
 
Mep said:
the vinaigrette, hummus, diet coke would put my sugar up. Hummus is made from chick peas which is a carb and it would depend how much they used in the dip. But chick peas themselves are 61g of carb per 100 grams... also it's a low GI carb so would keep your sugar level more stable for longer and not the peak and sudden drop. You had the rice and I'm not sure if you had any flat bread with your kebab? But you did have a few carbs there so that probably explains your sugar level.
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Yup Chickpeas and sweetcorn spike me too.
 
@greener - If I'm completely honest, I don't really know what you're asking. One man's good is another's disaster area.

What do you think about the results you achieved? What did you expect?
 
greener said:
hello!

yesterday around 8pm I ate 1 shish kebab, 1 kofte kebab and a bit of donner kebab. I also ate salad with vinegrette, tarama and humus (around 50g each). Last, I drank a diet coke. Also, I ate like a spoon of rice that came with the kebabs.

Isn't that a very low carb meal?

yet I woke up 14h later with 7.2mmol/L!!!

I really don't understand, is it not that much the amount of carbs we eat, but the amount of food? Maybe fasting is the best way to control diabetes or eating very low amounts of food and ofcourse with not many carbs, but mainly it is the amount?

any ideas?
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Carby things in the meal (aside from the possibility of carb-spiked meat): Tarama, humus, and rice. The salad would have some carbs, as well. The total would be at the top of what I can eat in a single meal.

But I agree with the other comment that several hours later, your number is more likely due to dawn phenomenon.
 
greener said:
I really don't understand, is it not that much the amount of carbs we eat, but the amount of food?
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It's the amount of carb that matters, if your food doesn't have any carbs then the amount of food isn't such a problem. Carbs aren't something to be estimated, so you need to know how much each kebab weighed. Just googling shish kebab came up with 35 gms, seems kofte kebab isn't so bad, donner on the other hand depends on how much the meat has been added to. Humus is 35gms carb per cupful, so you could easily be heading for 100gms or about 1/3 of the average person's carb intake (250 - 300). As has been suggested the morning effect could easily come into play. You say your reading was 7.2mmol/L, what reading do you normally get. It doesn't look awful to me but then I easily get confused with units.

Mod Edit: Fixed cupful
 
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DavidGrahamJones said:
It's the amount of carb that matters, if your food doesn't have any carbs then the amount of food isn't such a problem. Carbs aren't something to be estimated, so you need to know how much each kebab weighed. Just googling shish kebab came up with 35 gms, seems kofte kebab isn't so bad, donner on the other hand depends on how much the meat has been added to. Humus is 35gms carb per cup fool, so you could easily be heading for 100gms or about 1/3 of the average person's carb intake (250 - 300). As has been suggested the morning effect could easily come into play. You say your reading was 7.2mmol/L, what reading do you normally get. It doesn't look awful to me but then I easily get confused with units.
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Graham - I am assuming you meant "....35gms carb per cup fool...." to read cupful? The alternative mightn't be perceived as too nice? :)
 
AndBreathe said:
cup fool...." to read cupful?
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Thanks for pointing that out, I think my fingers have a mind of their own and are going faster than my brain, therefore real time editing has broken. It would never be my intention to offend . . . . . period. There were several there as well. LOL

I'm genuinely concerned about the state of my brain, but nobody listens.
 
DavidGrahamJones said:
Thanks for pointing that out, I think my fingers have a mind of their own and are going faster than my brain, therefore real time editing has broken. It would never be my intention to offend . . . . . period. There were several there as well. LOL

I'm genuinely concerned about the state of my brain, but nobody listens.
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Strictly speaking, we read it here. Listening does not apply. I accept it was a genuine typo, so don't beat yourself up about it.
 
DavidGrahamJones said:
Thanks for pointing that out, I think my fingers have a mind of their own and are going faster than my brain, therefore real time editing has broken. It would never be my intention to offend . . . . . period. There were several there as well. LOL

I'm genuinely concerned about the state of my brain, but nobody listens.
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I second what Oldvar said. Technology has a funny way of playing tricks too.. :)
 
Brunneria said:
Cheap processed meats are bulked out with breadcrumbs, rusks, starch and other high carb gunge.
The 'meat' was probably 50% carby rubbish.
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It's illegal to do that. And I don't think that was the case from the specific restaurant which is a traditional turkish restaurant. I saw the kebabs precooked. The kofte was pure fatty mince. The shish was pure cubes of meat. The donner is pieces of meat.

I will make a test and try the same meal with the same amount of only shish kebab this time, that we know it's 100% meat marinated.
 
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