I am agreeing with you Kyrani.Where's the contradiction?
I was saying that ideas point to issues, those ideas may (if they are taken as true), cause the person to react and that reaction is somatic. I gave the simple case of anxiety because it is a simple example of conflicting emotions causing problems, especially for the heart. But I wanted to stress that it is not always a simple matter. Emotional reactivity is only one sort.
For example if the person perceives danger and it is not evident that the danger is external AND at the same time there are ideas of some internal problem, the person's immune system might be stimulated to react unnecessarily and do damage to cells.
In the case you bring here about the medical problem of this patient, there would have been ideas that she may have treated as treal BUT there could have been some other conflict due to her bodies reaction to a number of ideas. It is hard to say anything much if one doesn't know the person's problems.
What I was trying to do in that post was to point out that
1. I am NOT a New Ager, and
2. That I see problems with the simplistic views that New Age ideas convey.
Doctors talk about stress and stress hormones but they don't
go on and explain the reactivity in the body in any detail at all. They only talk about diet and exercise, which are important but stress IMO is even more important.
Kyrani
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I am agreeing with you Kyrani.
I can personally tell you that without a shadow of a doubt, it has been stress/anxiety in my past that has caused physical issues for me too. I had been through sheer hell emotionally for five years when I was diagnosed with cancer. It didn't even surprise me at the time because I knew how much out of sync I had felt for those years.
I can even draw on my present 'mystery illness' that as yet is undiagnosed. I lost my best friend of thirty years, my dad, and my beloved 11 year old dog, all in the space of a year. I was told I had a measure of depression, and then I started to feel really ill physically (still do). I don't have panic attacks, but I KNOW that anxiety and depression are closely linked. Top that up with being worried about nobody actually knowing what is wrong with me and of course I am keeping my symptoms ticking over nicely. I am aware of it and trying to address it.
I am query ME because I have had bouts like this before, but perhaps my emotions may be playing a huge part. My eyes are well open to it all. I wouldn't mind if doctors finally diagnosed me as having a stress born illness that is cyclic, because it would be an answer and I can work with that.
..Sorry Kyrani, I don't understand how you can say '**** NEVER just happens' as if its a fact.......I agree with Heathenlass.....thinking '**** happens' [for most of us over here], is just a way of coping/accepting/thinking 'oh well' and moving forwards without dwelling too much/analysing things which actually have happened.....I respect your point of view and we all think the way we choose to...
Hi SJC,
You can get your health back.
Emotions are an important aspect as you say, because as you realize they are physical reactivity in the body, which means the person’s body function is changed and that change continues until the emotions that cause it go away. Emotions should be spontaneous and transient. They should not be ongoing or episodic or conflicting etc.
To get rid of the emotional reactivity that is upsetting the body’s normal function, I found I had to address the issue and suggestions made to me by others.
Issues cause ideas to be upheld in mind, ideas about the issues and ideas that are a consequence of the issues etc. One can resolve the issues to discharge the ideas but not always. So how to discharge these ideas?
Issues, as far as I have seen, stem from conflict or some adverse influence with other people. Sometimes it is not obvious because those other people are two-faced and toxic and very often relatives, close (but false) friends or work associates. The obvious domestic violence, work bullying etc., is only the tip of the iceberg, IMO. I found that simply to understand what is being played out is the key. You don’t have to do anything more and certainly not confront them. I found toxic people look to create issues for the purpose of causing the other person suffering and get pleasure out of seeing the other suffer.
I found, in my life, that another purpose of manufactured issues was to be able to present ideas that are really only suggestions, but because of the issues and emotional reactivity, the ideas seem real.
One of the problems of such ideas is that if a person gets caught up in a maze. They treat the ideas as their own thinking and not as a mental perception. Once I saw that these were perceptions of some related but toxic person’s hateful suggestions, I could dismiss those ideas easily and bring my metabolism back to rest.
While I considered the ideas were my own, they carry my authority so I got caught up with trying to understand “why am I having this thought?” When I saw that it is only a mental perception then I discharge the suggestion from mind. With the idea gone the emotional reactivity ceased and my body returned to rest and normal function.. disease gone! I have resolved many problematic medical conditions and some were bad enough the doctors said “nothing we can do”. Now I can avoid even developing disease. No doubt I am bad news for big pharma. LOL
Kyrani
You could be reading my mind LOL. Conflict is a good word. Dis-ease is another - not at ease or negative ease. People get caught up in believing both their fears and their thoughts and a never-ending cycle ensues. Life is an ongoing learning process and I feel lucky to have an enquiring mind. Being 'influenced' by the behaviour of 'others' in the negative sense can be very detrimental.
Some confusion here I think. Should have thought more about that. We use it to mean daft in this area. Sorry.Personal attack???? Please explain.
I said I agreed with you on the stuff you wrote about New Age Ideas
and I could see how you were using the phrase when you last expained it. I had understood it different.
How is all that a personal attack?
So you are comparing yourself to these people?I have been banned from two websites Women's Health and Richard Dawkins.
You want to find fault with me and not with the website people who ban me. On that score Martin Luther King (who was shot), Nelson Mandela (who was jailed 26 years) and Ghandhi (shot) and many others, were at fault because there were people who didnn't like them standing for Justice? I;ll bet they would have been banned from some websites too!
But they are wrongOK what happened to being open minded. You don't have to agree with what is being said by @kirani99 you don't even have to look at the websites if you don't want to, that is your choice. But there are people that believe for one reason or another that living a (Holistic life) balancing body,mind and spirit , that the body can self heal. It is just an idea you may be interested in. I thought we were here to share self help ideas. I have only been in this forum a short time but have seen people get hounded out.
But they are wrong
Doubt it.
And also many comics.There are many books to be found on using the mind and the imagination to balance the body and promote healing. I can not say if they work but when people have a chronic disease or illness, particularly a life threatening one, most would try anything if they thought it would help.
Think I will get my jacketi dont really know whats going on in this thread but i reckon, when you watch a program on the telly about head lice, you get an itchy head, its a real itch, as real as a random itch, so if your mind can give you an itch, it can give hypercondriacts an illness, they may be in the mind but they are real, so imho it follows that if we can give ourselves illnesses, we can cure them too, for example, i dont get colds, why not? because when i fell a cold coming i refuse it entry, im way to busy at work to be ill, i literally refuse it, so if its possible to do that, why not cancer for example, im certainly not a spiritual type, but i definately believe that our minds are far more powerful than we realise and curing diseases would be a simple thing for it, if we knew how to tap into it
sorry if i completely missed the point of the conversation
A great example of this is the unwarranted fight/flight response. Even if there is nothing to fear, the body is telling the person they were right to be fearful of ...that feeling, that sensation or thought. The whole thing is a very clever bluff BUT, many people with panic disorder for instance, don't even realise that their body is actually healthy and only responding to 'thoughts'. Many sufferers actually believe it's the other way around. It's all about first fear and second fear. Without 'thought' the adrenaline response simply wouldn't kick in. We have to feel a fearful emotion first. This is why panic disorder can last for decades/lifelong. A sufferer's perception of why they feel like they do often interferes with progress to eliminate the disorder. They often believe it really is a physical disorder and they are merely reacting.
So you are comparing yourself to these people?
i dont really know whats going on in this thread but i reckon, when you watch a program on the telly about head lice, you get an itchy head, its a real itch, as real as a random itch, so if your mind can give you an itch, it can give hypercondriacts an illness, they may be in the mind but they are real, so imho it follows that if we can give ourselves illnesses, we can cure them too, for example, i dont get colds, why not? because when i fell a cold coming i refuse it entry, im way to busy at work to be ill, i literally refuse it, so if its possible to do that, why not cancer for example, im certainly not a spiritual type, but i definately believe that our minds are far more powerful than we realise and curing diseases would be a simple thing for it, if we knew how to tap into it
sorry if i completely missed the point of the conversation
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