I need a new plan

[speaker01]

I am 70 andhave been type2 for 30 years. Started of with the usual lot of tablets and progressed onto insulin. I do quite a bit of research about my condition and have found some interesting information. I have taken part in a DNA test and go a 28 digital page report back about my genes (not all my genes). It was a bit of a bore trying to fully understand what it all meant but I tried to understand. The past year has seen me trying different approaches (Without consent or approval from doctors). Methods have included vits, healing frquencies, fasting (various periods) and trying to be more active (more effort needed). Metformin, i have stopped and found that I can control my blood sugars just as well. I am better educated about morning levels and them rising as soon as you get out of bed or start waking up more fully. I do inject only when I need to compared to 5 times a day. This morning my resting levels were 9 but now have gone up to 13.8 (2 hours). I had eggs and a couple of digestives (Stress) i have injected this morning to bring my levels down to a more acceptable level. I am wanting to try a planned meal system but they all cost money. Are there any such plans free. I would like hear about anybody that has had beta cells replaced and how to go about it (obviously how well it worked?)

 

[ianf0ster]

I am 70 andhave been type2 for 30 years. Started of with the usual lot of tablets and progressed onto insulin.

Yes, many people did in the days before T2 Diabetes remission by dietary means was found to be a real thing.
I'm a diet controlled (Low Carb) T2D in remission for over 4 yrs - i.e. my HbA1C has been under 42 for that time.

I do quite a bit of research about my condition and have found some interesting information. I have taken part in a DNA test and go a 28 digital page report back about my genes (not all my genes). It was a bit of a bore trying to fully understand what it all meant but I tried to understand. The past year has seen me trying different approaches (Without consent or approval from doctors).

Even if you didn't get approval from your GP, I hope that you informed them what you were doing, because misunderstandings can (in some circumstances) be dangerous.

Methods have included vits, healing frquencies, fasting (various periods) and trying to be more active (more effort needed).

Many people here find that fasting helps.

Metformin, i have stopped and found that I can control my blood sugars just as well. I am better educated about morning levels and them rising as soon as you get out of bed or start waking up more fully.

OK, so you know about 'Dawn Phenomenon' or 'Foot On the Floor'.

I do inject only when I need to compared to 5 times a day.

OK, how is your 'Time In Range' - or don't you have a CGM ?

This morning my resting levels were 9 but now have gone up to 13.8 (2 hours). I had eggs and a couple of digestives (Stress) i have injected this morning to bring my levels down to a more acceptable level.

Eggs (on their own or with bacon, or herbs as an omelette make a great breakfast for T2D's, but since they can stop Dawn Phenomenon in its track (for some/many) be careful with your insulin dose. The rise to 13.8 is probably (as you seem to know) because of eating the Digestive Biscuits.

I am wanting to try a planned meal system but they all cost money. Are there any such plans free.

I'm not sure what exactly you mean by 'meal plans'. Have you looked into the free stuff available online from the Freshwell GP practice (in the UK); The Low Carb Program on the homepages at this web site (not free) or the free stuff in the Low Carb Diet forum ( What did you eat today?(low carb forum) and Low Carb Sucess Stories ).

I would like hear about anybody that has had beta cells replaced and how to go about it (obviously how well it worked?)

As far as I know beta cell replacement is only by Pancreas transplant. I know that my fellow moderator @Grant_Vicat had a multi-organ transplant and so is no longer a Type 1 diabetic.

Good Luck with your searches,
Ian

 

[lovinglife]

Just to add to the great info from @ianf0ster have you tried DietDoctor- they have 100s of free recipes and a lot of meal plans you can swap in & out. You can join for a monthly fee but I’ve used it for years and never felt the need, there’s enough free stuff in there to keep you going

 

[Resurgam]

@speaker01 The low carb way of eating was all that was available years ago, but just like Dr Atkins way of eating - it was pretty much disregarded as a 'treatment' - maybe because it was just about free. It isn't generally thought to be compatible with insulin though.
I just reduced my carbs down until I got normal numbers - not all that surprisingly it was the same amount as my CCLL doing Atkins - and I lost weight easily (that's Carb Count Losing Level iirc)

 

[Grant_Vicat]

I am 70 andhave been type2 for 30 years. Started of with the usual lot of tablets and progressed onto insulin. I do quite a bit of research about my condition and have found some interesting information. I have taken part in a DNA test and go a 28 digital page report back about my genes (not all my genes). It was a bit of a bore trying to fully understand what it all meant but I tried to understand. The past year has seen me trying different approaches (Without consent or approval from doctors). Methods have included vits, healing frquencies, fasting (various periods) and trying to be more active (more effort needed). Metformin, i have stopped and found that I can control my blood sugars just as well. I am better educated about morning levels and them rising as soon as you get out of bed or start waking up more fully. I do inject only when I need to compared to 5 times a day. This morning my resting levels were 9 but now have gone up to 13.8 (2 hours). I had eggs and a couple of digestives (Stress) i have injected this morning to bring my levels down to a more acceptable level. I am wanting to try a planned meal system but they all cost money. Are there any such plans free. I would like hear about anybody that has had beta cells replaced and how to go about it (obviously how well it worked?)

Thank you for the tag @ianf0ster I don't know of anyone who has had solely beta cells replaced so far. In 2013 I had a kidney/pancreas transplant, primarily because my kidneys were on their last legs. I was offered a pancreas transplant so that no further kidney deterioration would take place, being in my 54th year of Type1 at the time. As with any transplant I am on permanent immunosuppressants to prevent rejection. I must say that a pancreas transplant is not an available option under normal circumstances. In 2016 the British Woman Sue York became the first patient in the world to have a pancreas transplant due to severe needle phobia, but as it is a risky and difficult operation, it is not offered as a "cure" for diabetes. Proof of this is that I was diagnosed with Charcot Foot only 2 months after my transplant. But at least I am producing my own insulin! As to how well it worked, life expectancy is averaged at 10 years, but I believe that sticking to instructions and keeping my diet in moderation has certainly helped. Have you come across @JoKalsbeek 's excellent information for Type2 and diet? It offers a much better and cost-free (other than buying food!) diet than many other expensive options.

 

[JoKalsbeek]

I am 70 andhave been type2 for 30 years. Started of with the usual lot of tablets and progressed onto insulin. I do quite a bit of research about my condition and have found some interesting information. I have taken part in a DNA test and go a 28 digital page report back about my genes (not all my genes). It was a bit of a bore trying to fully understand what it all meant but I tried to understand. The past year has seen me trying different approaches (Without consent or approval from doctors). Methods have included vits, healing frquencies, fasting (various periods) and trying to be more active (more effort needed). Metformin, i have stopped and found that I can control my blood sugars just as well. I am better educated about morning levels and them rising as soon as you get out of bed or start waking up more fully. I do inject only when I need to compared to 5 times a day. This morning my resting levels were 9 but now have gone up to 13.8 (2 hours). I had eggs and a couple of digestives (Stress) i have injected this morning to bring my levels down to a more acceptable level. I am wanting to try a planned meal system but they all cost money. Are there any such plans free. I would like hear about anybody that has had beta cells replaced and how to go about it (obviously how well it worked?)

https://josekalsbeek.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-nutritional-thingy.html is what @Grant_Vicat mentioned. I stayed out of this thread because I don't know a thing about transplants as a viable option for T2, also because a T2's betacells could well be functioning; after 30 years though, who knows. But if you want to go the diet route, that's as good a place to start as any. (Try Dr. Jason Fung's the Diabetes Code for more in-depth information though.)

Personally, I think there's still something to be gained by looking at your diet. Digestives for breakfast due to stress? Stress can up your bloods, the digestives almost certainly will, so not the best combination there. The good news being that with a few changes your blood glucose could potentially still come down.

Good luck!
Jo

 

[speaker01]

Wow, so many great words of advice and encouragement. Thanks to everybody who took the time and patience to respond to my many queries. Should I still inject if levels are beyond 9 whilst fasting?

 

[Antje77]

Wow, so many great words of advice and encouragement. Thanks to everybody who took the time and patience to respond to my many queries. Should I still inject if levels are beyond 9 whilst fasting?

We really cannot give dosing advice on here, that's something between you and your doctor/diabetes nurse.

What insulin(s) are you on?

 

[ianf0ster]

@speaker01 It is impossible to answer that question.
Firstly, we are not allowed to be prescriptive in our replies. Secondly, there is so very much information missing when you ask that question. With a CGM, you know your blood glucose patterns better than anybody else - even your doctors.

However, I think I can say that a reading of a little over 9, especially for less than1 or even 2 hrs isn't a problem and even some non-diabetics may come close to that, but they wouldn't know about it because of having no reason to check!