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When we were both working full time and our son was at school, every morning I would get up early and set out plates of prepared fruit (typically sliced banana, grapes, strawberries, slices of nectarine), a carton of orange juice or a fruit smoothie, a big container of muesli (specially chosen for no added salt), low fat milk and, of course, all the necessary bowls, glasses and spoons. I thought I was being a wonderful wife/mother.
I should have been making a big omelette or crustless quiche or serving up slices of cold meats or good quality sausages.
On the diet I used to provide, we were, of course, hungry by mid morning and biscuits (whole grain ones, naturally) kept us going.
I'm sure James wouldn't have become T2D if I had known to serve the meat/eggs breakfast. that breakfast was probably the worst meal of the day and, with a bit of advance cooking, it all could have been so much better.
sally
No, I'm not T2 (or T1) and I would agree that some people are simply more susceptible than others. I was, however, over weight. That fell off within weeks of going low carb and I've stayed the same for the past six years, despite butter, lard, cheese etc, so I do think I was metabolically challenged, even if I don't qualify for full membership!Hi Sally, but you ate the same presumably and you are not type 2? I am sure James also had something in his DNA that contributed to it as well otherwise many more people would get diabetes.
On a recent post the OP asked about introducing more carbs into a low carb diet if they were in remission.
It made me wonder what diet members would say they could have safely eaten before they were diabetic, for the diabetes never to have developed. Assuming that we are talking about Type 2, and assuming diet is a cause of diabetes. Of course people’s requirements for food are different; a petite lady in her 70’s probably needs less than a professional rugby player, to use two stereotypes, but there must be a general principle.
Let’s call this an “Ideal” diet for want of a better word. This is the diet we should have been eating, to avoid becoming diabetic; this is the diet we would recommend to normal healthy people if only they would take notice. More controversially this would be the diet we could eat if we wanted to, if we were truly in remission, reversed or “cured”, rather than controlled. Obviously some people have adopted diets like keto, carnivore or very low calorie and intend to keep to them, but these diets are adopted as a remedy rather than prevention and are unlikely to work as a blanket recommendation for the as yet healthy general public.
Many posters have said that they were eating what they were told was a healthy diet before they became diabetic and/or obese and often the Eatwell Guide, Five a Day and “eat wholegrain and avoid saturated fat” are quoted. So if you were going to recommend this “Ideal” diet instead of the Eatwell guide to the general public, some of whom have limited budgets, what would it consist of and in particular how many carbs?
I like that answer.There's so many variables, both genetic and environmental, that it's impossible to answer the question of how many grams per day is safe.
Yes, but it doesn't state how...it's just statements with no info. I think JimLahey summed it up rather well in his most recent post. And I'd agree with the comments you made about your childhood way of eating. Pretty much meals cooked from real food. I think overall that is a or was a good way of eating before the demonizing of fat began.
Ideal Diet to Avoid Diabetes
I agree that it is a very difficult to suggest what is an ideal diet, there are so many variables, age, culture, activity level to name a few. To get some idea of what might be a reasonable level of carbs for the general public I have made a list of what might be a typical day's consumption to get the recommended amount of calories and counted the carbs. Several people suggested we should go back to meals of the 50's and avoid ready meals and takeaways and snacks, so I have left them out, apart from some beer and crisps that my dad would have had. Obviously these are the meals of a meat and 2 veg Englishman which is probably not applicable to say a vegetarian of Asian origin, or possibly anyone else, but it's just my attempt at a ballpark figure.
About the same as one of my nan's home made pasties.about 200g of carbs a day to achieve 2,500 kCal.
You forgot the gravy. So I am going to go higher and say 210g.I agree that it is a very difficult to suggest what is an ideal diet, there are so many variables, age, culture, activity level to name a few. To get some idea of what might be a reasonable level of carbs for the general public I have made a list of what might be a typical day's consumption to get the recommended amount of calories and counted the carbs. Several people suggested we should go back to meals of the 50's and avoid ready meals and takeaways and snacks, so I have left them out, apart from some beer and crisps that my dad would have had. Obviously these are the meals of a meat and 2 veg Englishman which is probably not applicable to say a vegetarian of Asian origin, or possibly anyone else, but it's just my attempt at a ballpark figure.
The detail is below but it comes to about 200g of carbs a day to achieve 2,500 kCal.
I disagree with you that being active is more important than diet. Diet is key to prevention as well as maintenance. In terms of T2 Diet is key and exercise is secondary.
Well, the Diabetes.co.uk poster in #27 above seems to agree.Exercise and diet work hand in hand in the prevention aspect.
So what you are saying is that if one cannot exercise then there is no hope of remission? No hope of weight loss? A life of complications sooner rather than later?Exercise and diet work hand in hand in the prevention aspect.
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