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Hey folks

Just come on board, and was diagnosed two weeks ago with Type 2. I'm Al, and I'm based close to Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, UK. Thus far, I've been exceedingly disappointed with the support provided by my primary care surgery, and have pretty much been left to 'research on Google' and get on with it myself.

I'm very active 40-something, and in addition to having a full time role in management, I present fitness classes in a gym a few evenings a week; and perform voluntary work for a local blood bike group when I have time. I rarely drink, smoke, and my BMI isn't excessive.

I'm still processing everything and figuring out how this all fits into an active fitness lifestyle, and feeling very much unsupported.

Anyway, I just thought I'd say hello and introduce myself.
 

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Active lifestyle is great .. a Low Carb diet is even better or so it has proved for me. Cut out all the starchy and sugary food and eat real fresh produce. Meat, fish, eggs, cheese , butter, cream, green veg, salad leaves and a whole lot more.
Thousands of people are benefitting from the Low Carb programme run by this site - why not sign up and give it a go?
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/lowcarb/
Have fun and good luck!
 
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Hi @bigbadbald and welcome to the forum. Do you know what your HbA1c (blood sugar) figure was in your blood test? If not you should find out from your surgery so you know where you are starting from.
Many of us on here have found that adopting a low Carbohydrate High Fat (LCHF) approach to eating has lowered our blood sugars. Have a read round the forum to see how it works, and ask any questions you want to. the people on here are friendly and supportive and you will get a lot of good advice.
 

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Thanks for your greeting.

My research has already led me towards low carb diet, but any knowledge is power. My only concern with some of the more radical paleo / low carb diets is not fuelling enough for me to be able to present / train 4-5 times each week in the gym. My practice nurse was clueless on sports nutrition and supplementing - but I guess I'm an unusual case.

My initial HbA1c reading was 92 according to the practice nurse.
 
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Hi @bigbadbald and welcome to the best place there is for excellent advice and support from those who know - fellow diabetics. :)

I will tag @daisy1 who has excellent information for all newcomers. Have a good read when she posts, and follow the links because there is so much to learn and all of it is somewhere on this website!

There are many fitness experts on the forum, and there is a sub section for this group, so you can ask those sort of questions there. No use asking me! http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/category/fitness-exercise-and-sport.33/

My first piece of advice is to contact your surgery and ask if they put test results on-line, as they were told to do by April 2016, and how you can register for this. Failing that, ask for print outs of all your test results. You need to know all these results, and not just the glucose ones but also the cholesterol, lipids, liver and kidney functions, full blood counts and so forth that will most likely have been done at the same time. These are almost as important as your glucose test results for diabetics.

My second tip is to buy yourself a glucose meter as this will become your best friend. It will help you formulate a suitable and sustainable diet, help you understand what exercise does to your levels, and help you control this disease. They are essential.

Keep reading, keep posting, and good luck on your journey. :)
 

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Hi & welcome @bigbadbald ,

The guys here will see you right regarding the diet & support.

I would suggest arming yourself with a meter..

Look forward to reading your progress!
 

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Low carb doesn't necessarily mean lacking energy, particularly for endurance sports or events. If you get to know how sensitive you are to various foods then it isn't difficult to work out how many carbs to eat, and when, so as to be working well at the time you are in action.
I always found that my low carb way of eating gave me a lot more endurance than my peers - or at least I assume that is what it was. I don't have the look of an athlete - being short and dumpy is a family trait, but when others were beginning to struggle with lack of energy I was perfectly fine.
 
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Thanks for your greeting.

My research has already led me towards low carb diet, but any knowledge is power. My only concern with some of the more radical paleo / low carb diets is not fuelling enough for me to be able to present / train 4-5 times each week in the gym. My practice nurse was clueless on sports nutrition and supplementing - but I guess I'm an unusual case.

My initial HbA1c reading was 92 according to the practice nurse.
There are quite a few endurance athletes who run on Low Carb. Prof Tim Noakes the running guru (or so one of my marathon running buddies told me) is also a believer. I try to swim 1km non stop at least 4 times a week and gym session twice a week on my ultra low carb diet combined with fasting. this is becasue I have so much energy on this way of eating.
On the ketogenicforums.com there are a number of people who lift weights on keto. Also have you ever seen Jason Wittrock the keto bodybuilder ? I don't think you will have any probs with your training..
 

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There are probably things in motion, by the way - these things just take time.
I was able to drop my Hba1c down to below diabetic diagnostic level by the time I had the third diabetes education session organised by the local hospital.
Yes I was smug.
 
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Hi @bigbadbald .. and welcome
One of the features of LCHF is that it does not proscribe the level to which you wish to reduce your carb intake. I work at <40 grams daily .. others are considerably higher, some are much lower. The point is that you can choose the "mix" of diet, exercise and testing that works for you. I picked this up when I started my LCHF lifestyle following my diagnosis on 7th Feb .. and from reading up on the Low Carb Program .. the discussion on the Low Carb Diet forum .. and the following websites ...
Low Carbs in 60 Seconds
Low Carb 10-week Programme
 
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Hi @bigbadbald and welcome.
Ditto to all the low carb advice above and don't worry about lack of energy. I have tons more energy on LCHF than I ever did before.
 
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Thanks for your greeting.

My research has already led me towards low carb diet, but any knowledge is power. My only concern with some of the more radical paleo / low carb diets is not fuelling enough for me to be able to present / train 4-5 times each week in the gym. My practice nurse was clueless on sports nutrition and supplementing - but I guess I'm an unusual case.

My initial HbA1c reading was 92 according to the practice nurse.
Just eat the amount of carbs that you think is enough for your training days you will probably know better than us what you need. I am sure there are others here who also train a lot so could tell you how they do it
 

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Hi. As others have said, do continue with the low carb diet and see how the blood sugar moves. If you find it doesn't come down then as you are young and fit with little excess weight you would need to assume it might be late onset T1 and not T2. Do come back if the blood sugar doesn't stabilise and be prepared to ask the GP for the two tests for T1. Hopefully all will be well. With regard to diet, do have enough proteins and fats and where you need carbs go for low-GI ones to help smooth any sugar spikes
 
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@bigbadbald

Hello Al and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 147,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why :)
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
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Hi @bigbadbald and welcome to the font of all knowledge. This is the best resource for all the questions you have.
For info about fitness and low carb, look at www.dietdoctor.com as Professor Tim Noakes is featured on many of the videos. Also you could watch Cereal Killers.
I'd echo what others have said; get yourself a glucose monitoring machine and test test test. If you are type 2 then you'll likely be told you don't need to test but that is a load of rubbish. I would not have got my levels under control if it were not for strict testing. You can get cheap machines with cheap strips from http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product-category/shop/tee2/
or https://homehealth-uk.com/all-products/codefree-blood-glucose-monitoring-system-mmoll-or-mgdl/ I find the SD is a little higher than the one I was given by the DSN but it does the job especially as I now have to self finance my testing.

You have found your way to to the friendliest forum I've ever known, don't worry about asking questions, there are no stupid questions and I can guarantee if you have them then there are hundreds, if not thousands of people who also have the same questions.
 

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welcome here bigbadbald :)
this forum is the right place to be if you want to do optimal effort... and get lots of good advice
 

bigbadbald

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Hi everyone. I'd like to thank you all for the positive welcome and really helpful responses.

NHS 'DESMOND' awareness course invitation came through this week, although I haven't had any more interaction with my primary care provider since.

I've been observing 'low carb' and no refined sugar since the 28th (diagnosis day +1), and at first did the whole '800' a day, but discovered this wasn't nearly enough to fuel my workouts. I've since 'upped' the calories, but remained low carb, and on Monday this week, went keto.

So far, it's proving suitable - I'm finding that I have increased energy and awareness and so far no headaches with less than 30g carbs each day. Roll on ketogenesis. Next step is to expand my keto foods to make things a little less bland than constant plain chicken breasts!

Since diagnosis, I've also dropped 8kg (it's 4 weeks on Monday), which has been higher than I anticipated.
 

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Do not eat only low fat meats - you might well find that not eating the one food group which has almost no effect on blood glucose levels is not a good thing - I have eaten low carb for a very long time and found that there was no point in counting calories as they don't add up - compared with weightloss on a low calorie diet some foods had negative calories - which is of course, impossible. Meats such as chicken thighs are good - cooked in an Actifry hot air doo dad until the skins go crispy - do not deny yourself this delight - but beef and pork and lamb are also excellent.
I eat them and since diagnosis my cholesterol is down and ratios are ideal - so much for avoiding fat.