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Is a very low carb diet healthy?

millenium said:
Are you sure he is really eating low carb?
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Absolutely 100 percent certain

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Table of Nutritional Information

Typical Values (cooked as per instructions) per 100g Per 1/2 pack % based on RI for Average Adult
Energy 617kJ 704kJ -
147kcal 167kcal 8%
Fat 4.2g 4.8g 7%
Saturates 0.8g 0.9g 5%
Carbohydrate <0.5g 0.6g -
Sugars <0.5g 0.6g 1%
Fibre <0.5g <0.5g -
Protein 26.6g 30.4g 61%
Salt 0.46g 0.52g 9%

He just had two of those packs for lunch nothing else with them.

He will eat what I cook for dinner but only if it's keto.
 
JohnEGreen said:
Absolutely 100 percent certain

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Table of Nutritional Information

Typical Values (cooked as per instructions) per 100g Per 1/2 pack % based on RI for Average Adult
Energy 617kJ 704kJ -
147kcal 167kcal 8%
Fat 4.2g 4.8g 7%
Saturates 0.8g 0.9g 5%
Carbohydrate <0.5g 0.6g -
Sugars <0.5g 0.6g 1%
Fibre <0.5g <0.5g -
Protein 26.6g 30.4g 61%
Salt 0.46g 0.52g 9%

He just had two of those packs for lunch nothing else with them.

He will eat what I cook for dinner but only if it's keto.
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Maybe his brain is running on ketones.

If you put dressel on this diet, he will be out of the Olympic?
 
millenium said:
Low carb bodybuilders are very rare. The last time I saw WBF endorsing a low carb diet on all its 13 athletes, only one turn out alright and rumour was he was not on low carb. Olympic athletes on low carb is also very rare.
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To be fair anyone on low carb is rare when you look at the world population
 
millenium said:
Maybe his brain is running on ketones.

If you put dressel on this diet, he will be out of the Olympic?
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If he’s eating keto the whole idea is to be using ketones rather than glucose (barring the small amount the brain actually requires)
How can you be so sure about dressel? Do you know what he eats now? How much do you know about keto?
 
Dandelade said:
I mean the biology teach in me winces a bit but yeah, different processes but same outcome (energy)!
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I recently came across an interesting section in "Medical Management of Type 2 Diabetes" American Diabetes Association; Clinical Education Series, 4th Edition, p. 45 "Carbohydrate""
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"The amount and type of carbohydrate that should be included in the diet of a person with type 2 diabetes should be individualized and, as with fat and protein, be driven by the predominant metabolic abnormality one seeks to improve. If LDL and total cholesterol are elevated then the initial diet plan should restrict fat to 30% or less. This would result in approx. 50-60% of calories being derived from carbohydrate........

The USDA Food Guide Pyramid is a good source for recommending carbohydrate choices for individual with type 2 diabetes.........

.....Clinically the most important determinant of glycemic response to a meal is the *total* carbohydrate content. Fat and protein contribute little to blood glucose response other than slowing the rate of digestion and absorption of carbohydrate and shifting the response curve to the right ......

Sugar restriction is no longer the primary focus of diet therapy in diabetes. Clinical research has not found sugar-containing foods to be detrimental to blood glucose control when substituted for other carbohydrates in the diets of people with diabetes. A modest intake of sugar containing foods is allowable in the context of a healthy diet........................

-- above are some snipits from this section ;
 
Erin said:
I recently came across an interesting section in "Medical Management of Type 2 Diabetes" American Diabetes Association; Clinical Education Series, 4th Edition, p. 45 "Carbohydrate""
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"The amount and type of carbohydrate that should be included in the diet of a person with type 2 diabetes should be individualized and, as with fat and protein, be driven by the predominant metabolic abnormality one seeks to improve. If LDL and total cholesterol are elevated then the initial diet plan should restrict fat to 30% or less. This would result in approx. 50-60% of calories being derived from carbohydrate........

The USDA Food Guide Pyramid is a good source for recommending carbohydrate choices for individual with type 2 diabetes.........

.....Clinically the most important determinant of glycemic response to a meal is the *total* carbohydrate content. Fat and protein contribute little to blood glucose response other than slowing the rate of digestion and absorption of carbohydrate and shifting the response curve to the right ......

Sugar restriction is no longer the primary focus of diet therapy in diabetes. Clinical research has not found sugar-containing foods to be detrimental to blood glucose control when substituted for other carbohydrates in the diets of people with diabetes. A modest intake of sugar containing foods is allowable in the context of a healthy diet........................

-- above are some snipits from this section ;
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Other than being the same old same old food pyramid/eatwell plate advice - that isn’t helpful for type 2 unless coming from an even poorer diet - I’m not sure that this says anything much other than it’s carbs that matter not just sugar.
 
millenium said:
Maybe his brain is running on ketones.

If you put dressel on this diet, he will be out of the Olympic?
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Keiran does squats with the equivalent of two Dressels on his shoulders.

He doesn't want to be Dressel he want's to emulate his hero Arnold Schwarzenegger.

As I said his brain functions very well without dietary carbohydrates.

Though one of the people who follows him on instagram is the a former Olympic swimmer Jon Jon Park.
 
millenium said:
If you put dressel on this diet, he will be out of the Olympic?
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It's safe to say there are indevidual goals in which metabolism permitting along with a diet plays a part?
Some aim for a "gold medal" in a certain field, if they happen to be a pro-athlete.?

Some just require management of BGs..?
 
HSSS said:
If he’s eating keto the whole idea is to be using ketones rather than glucose (barring the small amount the brain actually requires)
How can you be so sure about dressel? Do you know what he eats now? How much do you know about keto?
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I do quite a bit of swimming and bodybuilding. Most if not all of us did the text book style sports nutrition. Every day 600g carbs and 1.5 to 2g protein per kg bodyweight. I have a degree in human nutrition.

I do not know much about going into ketosis in practice only from textbooks. I have experiment with paleolithic diet before, it is not good for sports performance
 
Jaylee said:
It's safe to say there are indevidual goals in which metabolism permitting along with a diet plays a part?
Some aim for a "gold medal" in a certain field, if they happen to be a pro-athlete.?

Some just require management of BGs..?
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For sure.

The only people I have seen that has won the battle against diabetes type 2, are the low carb people.
 
lucylocket61 said:
May I respectfully suggest you do more research on this, to widen your knowledge.
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What research do you want me to do?

I have try low carb on myself for sports, it did not work for me as I have said.

I have used low carb diet for a few diabetes type 2 patients. That is the only way to restore their BG reading and hba1c to normal levels.
 
millenium said:
What research do you want me to do?

I have try low carb on myself for sports, it did not work for me as I have said.

I have used low carb diet for a few diabetes type 2 patients. That is the only way to restore their BG reading and hba1c to normal levels.
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Research on other people's experiences of low carb and sports. You appear to be unwilling to consider the possibility of success doing paolithic diets or very low carbing, judging from your comments on the experience of other posters.
 
millenium said:
I do quite a bit of swimming and bodybuilding. Most if not all of us did the text book style sports nutrition. Every day 600g carbs and 1.5 to 2g protein per kg bodyweight. I have a degree in human nutrition.

I do not know much about going into ketosis in practice only from textbooks. I have experiment with paleolithic diet before, it is not good for sports performance
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I asked because you seem to have been taught from a fairly limited and possibly biased source regarding keto. Eg it seems you didn’t realise ketones were the goal. An increasing number of athletes use keto as knowledge spreads. I believe cyclists and some rugby teams are included in this (from memory I don’t have a source to hand).

There’s a lot of “official” information that is lacking in evidence and fact out there. Any and every degree course (and professor) has a syllabus and some are not as wide as the full breadth of current knowledge

out of interest how long, what’s sports (endurance seems better suited that explosive) and how low was your personal experience of low carb and exercise?
 
millenium said:
I do quite a bit of swimming and bodybuilding. Most if not all of us did the text book style sports nutrition. Every day 600g carbs and 1.5 to 2g protein per kg bodyweight. I have a degree in human nutrition. I do not know much about going into ketosis in practice only from textbooks. I have experiment with paleolithic diet before, it is not good for sports performance
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That daily intake of carbs represents over two weeks intake for me - but I find that after half a century of striving to eat low carb against all the fad diet advice, I can cope with life at 70 years of age, riding my bicycle around at folk festivals, playing for and teaching dancing, I still work part time hauling knitting machines around for servicing.
From my early 20s I never had the time for sports but I often found myself doing the housekeeping at the end of a long day as everyone else was too tired to help, poor dears.
 
millenium said:
Check out this product I found on iHerb. https://sg.iherb.com/pr/lenny-larry-s-keto-cookie-chocolate-chip-12-cookies-1-6-oz-45-g-each/97936

What keto cookies is this? It has 15g carb per cookies.
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It’s actually 10g carbs per 45g cookie (we don’t count fibre as it’s non digestible) and of that 7g is sugar alcohol (erythritol) so here in the U.K. that would be counted as 3g per cookie of net active carbs. So in the realm of 7%.

Some people do count sugar alcohols (or half count) as some types do spike blood glucose level and insulin, however that’s usually the likes of maltitol whilst Erythritol is usually considered “safe” and not counted by the majority.

I’m not actually sure what your question is though.
 
millenium said:
I do quite a bit of swimming and bodybuilding. Most if not all of us did the text book style sports nutrition. Every day 600g carbs and 1.5 to 2g protein per kg bodyweight. I have a degree in human nutrition.

I do not know much about going into ketosis in practice only from textbooks. I have experiment with paleolithic diet before, it is not good for sports performance
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You'd better tell this guy then..


https://highintensitybusiness.com/shawn-baker-zero-carb/
 
HSSS said:
It’s actually 10g carbs per 45g cookie (we don’t count fibre as it’s non digestible) and of that 7g is sugar alcohol (erythritol) so here in the U.K. that would be counted as 3g per cookie of net active carbs. So in the realm of 7%.

Some people do count sugar alcohols (or half count) as some types do spike blood glucose level and insulin, however that’s usually the likes of maltitol whilst Erythritol is usually considered “safe” and not counted by the majority.

I’m not actually sure what your question is though.
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So is it safe to consider it as 3g carb per cookies to be the effect on blood glucose. I am looking for a cookie as a gift for a diabetic patient.
 
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