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Is diabetes a Cardiovascular disease?

Discussion in 'Greetings and Introductions' started by jarboy, Sep 27, 2017.

  1. himtoo

    himtoo Type 1 · Well-Known Member
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    I sort of agree with you @bulkbiker except -- and this is the key to my response

    Quoted from cherry

    "I would put things slightly differently.

    I would say that both diabetes and cardiovascular disease are a consequence of high insulin. Diabetes shows up when the levels of high insulin have caused so much insulin resistance that you can no longer control your blood sugars with it."

    the OP has not differentiated between types and has been posting on the forum with her views on "total Insulin" in both types.
    this thread is not in a type 2 subforum and many will read it ( both type 1 and 2 )

    the OP needs to be aware of the different types and moderate responses appropriate to type where appropriate.


    you @bulkbiker will be aware that cross posting has been made a feature of our forum -- but awareness of other types should ( and must ) be built into all our replies .

    edited to add -- @DCUKMod must have been in response as I was responding -- hope we are all clear going forward
     
    #21 himtoo, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:42 PM
    Last edited: Sep 27, 2017
  2. DCUKMod

    DCUKMod I reversed my Type 2 · Master
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    Thank you for clarifying the context of your response. As this thread sits in a general part of the site (Greetings and Introductions, which is absolutely fine), rather than a T1 one or T2 area, it might be helpful if you would consider amending your earlier post to save any further concern or confusion?

    Nobody likes confusion.

    Thanks in anticipation

    Edited to say, I reckon @himtoo posted as I was writing my own response. :)
     
  3. CherryAA

    CherryAA Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I've added it in as requested to the original post :)
     
  4. Banting_Coach

    Banting_Coach Don't have diabetes · Member

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    Agreed! Unfortunately there still are many in the medical profession that have the "old" views that were taught. Best is to look around for more modern medical outlook practitioners.
     
  5. Nicole

    Nicole · Active Member

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    Diabetes is a disease of insulin resistance as is CVD in most cases abd there is a very high crossover between the 2 populations but if you can reverse the diabetes you can reduce your risk Note that taking lots of diabetes meds to get great bgs or HBA1c has been shiwn to have no effect on CVD because it does not treat the root cause i- insujin resistance. So I think the nurse is right even if the conventional advice is not heloful.
     
  6. catapillar

    catapillar Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Edited to amend, given that you had quite clearly paid no attention to post #14 or #21 of this thread. Type 1 diabetes is not a disease of insulin resistance, it's an autoimmune disease. Type 1 diabetes makes up 10% of the diabetes population. Please differentiate between types of diabetes if the statements you are making are wholly inapplicable to other types of diabetes.

    The only thing causing my risk of CVD would be high blood sugar, so correctly taking insulin to control blood sugar would ameliorate the risk. Although acutely low blood sugar probably does cause some cardio risks of arythmia and hypoglycaemic induced hypovolaemia causing long q t waves...
     
  7. Art Of Flowers

    Art Of Flowers I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    There is a relationship between heart attacks and glucose spikes. See ...



    There is a pie chart around 12:25 into the video which shows that in a study 50% of people with CVD had glucose spikes plus 30% had diabetes (and probably had glucose spikes because of that), leaving 20% who had "normal" blood sugars.

    The video does explain that glucose spikes cause calcification of the arteries via the production of reactive oxygen which results in inflammation of the arteries which is then fixed by cholesterol. The solution is not to reduce cholesterol, but to remove the cause of inflammation, which is glucose spikes. Glucose spikes also causes Alzheimers and cancer.
     
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