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Is this too high?

Looks pretty good to my untrained eye apart from was that half a plate of white rice I see if so you may want cut down or out on that I do eat small amounts of brown or basmati but not normal long grain white rice ever.

RH I think is Reactive Hyperglycaemia bye the way.
 
The rice is cauliflower rice... I tried basmati Monday and my glucose levels were 90 minutes after at 13.1
Carbs bad! Lol
 
Yes RH is reactive hypoglycemia. Basically meaning you have an exasperated insulin response to carbs so you will produce a bit more insulin than needed and go lower. As I previously said it is nice to see lower BS numbers but we also want to keep insulin low. The best diet to keep you steady is low carb , moderate protein and some healthy fats with all meals and snacks.

Your meals look great, you look like a great chef but IMO they look a little large on the protein side. Meal size ( portions ) matter a lot.

Nuts are a great snack but some are higher in carbs and protein than others. Peanuts cashews ( technically legumes) and pistachios are a bit higher than pecans walnuts and macadamia.

Guacamole or just avocado is a magical food for bs for me

Personally I have to watch protein portions or I go way up

If you eat fruit I would make sure to accompany it with some fat like a few nuts but if you can do without even better.

The Rosedale Diet is a great book explaining how protein can raise BS. short book but was a key element for me.

I would also ditch the muesli. That shows consistant spikes right? The rice has to go for sure.

All forms of diabetes whether bs going high or dropping due to RH require the same diet especially for a NON insulin dependant. You are doing great, willing to learn and adjust. Can't ask for more than that. Everyone has their target BS goal. Mine is lower than a lot of peoples but I don't want to mess around. I hope to have and enjoy grand babies with all my faculties. For me now, it's just food, not life. I eat to live. There are other pleasures in life than food. Though I do have to say I love my food,

I want your food lol
 
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Tes78 said:
The rice is cauliflower rice... I tried basmati Monday and my glucose levels were 90 minutes after at 13.1
Carbs bad! Lol
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Yes I can see that now. I can tolerate small amounts of basmati but many can't cauliflower rice is great use it a lot these days family not to keen on it though. So I have Cauliflower Rice and they have a a mix of rice and cauliflower rice.
 
I wasn't keen on the cauliflower rice to be honest, but do like it normally. May try some other strange veg mix next time.
I haven't had avocado in years, didn't like it then, but going to get one this week to try again, tastes change so maybe I will like it now.

I will ditch the Alpan this week too, see what effect it has.
I'm hoping that once I do that my liver will say bye to the glucagon and then all readings will be only what I eat and not effected by that. I do have to ketosis sticks coming in the post to see if I'm there or not.

Weigh day today, will see what low carb all week has done to my weight loss.
Last week I was at 1st 11.5lbs down (25.5lbs) was already on the weight loss path before the diabetes path.
I can only see that this has made me more focuses :)
 
Avocado can be used many ways and as simple or complicated as need be. I love mine just smashed with sea salt. Occasionally a little lemon juice but it can also have cilantro, peppers, coriander, cumin etc. I just keep it simple. I also like it just sliced with sea salt but without salt I don't care for it much
You look like a great cook. You'll figure it out.

Good luck with the weigh in. I do find I need to be in ketosis so I don't have all that store glycogen but it takes anything over 20 carbs to kick me out so I still have to watch veggie portions. I believe protein fills stores but slower and I think fat is negligible.
I make some very strange meals too. I makes turkey meatballs with rosemary oregano and sage and crumble cold ones up into my guac and actually love it. I eat it with celery sticks and a radish and I toss a pinch of onion in. Weird concoction but whatever it takes. Haha.
I generally eat the same BF and same macros at lunch just mixing up the protein source. Then at least most of the day I have consistant readings. I do the same at dinner. It took awhile to find meals that kept me steady so I'm sticking to them.

Good luck today! You're a champ at this. Seems all we do for awhile is give up foods we love. But the good news is we find new foods to love.
 
Hi @Tes78
I have Reactive Hypoglycaemia.

But I'm not diabetic, but I do have a blood glucose disorder.
I release to much insulin when stimulated by carbs and sugars.
I spike quickly and hypo later on..

Read all about RH in our forum to see if the problem you are having is similar.
You can have RH with T2 diabetes.

There is a link below in my signature box.
 
cutting out carbs this week worked wonders for my weight loss... 6.5lbs lighter

Thank you for the link...
Some of the RH stuff I can relate to...
Cold hands and feet, dizziness, brain fog.
Some are not me at all like anxiety and mood swings.

From reading the people seem to get really low numbers too, which I don't. Although I did have a 4.5 today That shocked me.

One bizarre question...
Can you get all the simptoms of diabetes including the high glucose and resistance to insulin due to a hormonal in balance?
I ask this because...
I have been unwell since January with very few days this year where I have not been menstrual bleeding.
With this I have had many hormonal simptoms from frustration to crying for no reason, bad dreams, stomach cramps, back pain. The best I can explain how I have felt s early pregnancy but bleeding. I have had a scan of my uterus - all normal, and blood tests. It was these tests that first showed I was insulin resistant. Then the next was type 2. Still awaiting a ginoaologest appointment.
On my first set of blood tests they checked pretty punch everything, and my hormones came back as normal. They just don't feel it.
 
Tes78 said:
cutting out carbs this week worked wonders for my weight loss... 6.5lbs lighter

Thank you for the link...
Some of the RH stuff I can relate to...
Cold hands and feet, dizziness, brain fog.
Some are not me at all like anxiety and mood swings.

From reading the people seem to get really low numbers too, which I don't. Although I did have a 4.5 today That shocked me.

One bizarre question...
Can you get all the simptoms of diabetes including the high glucose and resistance to insulin due to a hormonal in balance?
I ask this because...
I have been unwell since January with very few days this year where I have not been menstrual bleeding.
With this I have had many hormonal simptoms from frustration to crying for no reason, bad dreams, stomach cramps, back pain. The best I can explain how I have felt s early pregnancy but bleeding. I have had a scan of my uterus - all normal, and blood tests. It was these tests that first showed I was insulin resistant. Then the next was type 2. Still awaiting a ginoaologest appointment.
On my first set of blood tests they checked pretty punch everything, and my hormones came back as normal. They just don't feel it.
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It is not a bizarre question.
So glad you asked, I'm not a woman and I don't those hormonal problems you describe. But, from what you have posted, there definitely is a imbalance somewhere.
The insulin resistance is a normal thing when blood glucose levels are high.
It is when levels are in the normal range that things happen.
Because of the high insulin in your blood, once the low carb takes effect, the insulin levels reduce as well as blood glucose levels., so your insulin resistance lowers. As I've said you do have some symptoms, but not all, every RH er is so different and so different symptoms occur. It is the control that you need.
You say that you don't have anxiety but when hormonal you cry!
That's more or less the same as mood swings.
You don't feel normal, when before diagnosis I always felt weird, that there was something else. So don't dismiss symptoms or feelings that give you a clue what might be going on.
I think you might have a form of RH with your other conditions.
But the only way you'll know is by getting tests.
Keep rattling on at your GP, who knows what's going on.
Keep us posted.
 
Yay on the weight loss. Big incentive.

I definately think hormones play a roll as insulin is also a hormone. When my BS fluctuates I feel awful. Anxiety frustration cry wanting wine etc. and mine don't fluctuate as much as yours. I stat between 75 and 100 most if the time and even it just moving effects me. Very frustrating.

As no shear said every bodies RH is just as different as everybody's diabetes. You're probably just less extreme than nosher. I think you will find with reduced carbs your spikes and drops will get closer together and you'll feel steadier.

As for now you have been and are making a lot of changes and the body is adjusting. In time you should feel better. You could be having a little low carb flu as well as when some people give up grains and dairy there is a cleansing period that isn't always pleasant. Persevere and you will feel better soon.

Mood swings and anxiety as well as tears are part of my life. Hard to accept them some days more than others. At least you're not alone haha
 
Yes the weight loss did make me feel great... A long way to go but I way ahead of my New Years goal. I am classed as morbidly obese, and I turned 37 last October. My New Years resolution was life begins at 40... So I would lose 4 stone per year over the next 4 years. That would put me at a healthy weight. So come on goals don't mind hitting them early!

Before January I was not all over the place with moods and such. I would get moods with no reason behind them 3-5 days before my period, then I would be fine. So I do know that hormones effect my moods. The dr thinks it might be polycystic overlies as that and insulin resist go hand in hand with many women.

Most of the time I'm quite a chilled relaxed person with a glass is half full attitude. I do have a melancholic side to me, it generally comes out if I'm ill and feel sorry for myself... I'm an optimistic melancholic if there is such a thing lol.

I had a doctors appointment later this month, I will mention the whole RH thing.
Is RH something you always have from birth or something that develops over time?
And can you get it when your pregnant like gestational diabetes?

Reason I ask is quite early on in pregnancy with my daughter I was going dizzy all the time even sitting down. Then from 20 weeks onwards if I was on my feet more than 10 mins at a time I would faint. I had 2 glucose tolerance tests during my pregnancy both came back fine. But as you can have RH without the actual diabetes... Hmmm just got me thinking that's all.

As you can see I like to understand myself, my body, my emotions, even my soul. I analyse everything, been told I think too much... But I don't see that as a bad thing.

Had lower numbers yesterday... Still a bit all over but them lowering can't be a bad thing can it?

8am wake up - 6.9

10am Pre packed turkey pieces (no time to cook) - 8.6
2hrs 50 mins after - 4.5

12.50pm quiche and salad - 4.5
2 hrs 30 mins after - 6.9

3:20 quiche on it own left over from lunch - 6.9
2 hrs later ( had 40g mixed nuts mid way through testing) - 8.8

7pm garlic chilli chicken and salad - 5.8
2 hrs after 8.4
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So no 9's yesterday which is good for my glucose levels, but still big highs and lows.

Also you mentioned a carb flu... I still have milk. Should I cut that out? Isn't dairy important?
 
A lot of what you are doing is experimenting and testing what foods do to you.
Even though your results are a little bit up and in normal levels, they are not that low.
3.5 is considered a mild hypo, yours are not that low. The ups and downs are normal.

I know nothing of gestational diabetes.

We're the glucose tests, two hour ones, because that would not show RH, for that you need a prolonged OGTT.

No one really knows how and why RH develops, except for those who develop the condition after stomach surgery. I developed mine naturally, I've no idea how long this developed, but it has to be at least about twenty years ago.
I've always disliked anything dairy but not lactose intolerant even though it rockets my blood glucose levels. I can't eat a lot of things because of my reaction to eating them. Mostly anything carb or sugars.
This does obviously lead to me eating protein and fat, which suits my body well and that is why I recommend going low carb, because that's the only thing that doesn't make me ill.
Get to know what your body can tolerate and the low carb lifestyle will shed loads of weight. I have lost nearly five stone.
 
nosher is on it again.
I think any BS abnormality can develop at any time.

Your numbers are still spiking a little high for my liking but all this takes time. Was it a crustless quiche? If not ditch the crust. I wouldn't go anywhere near milk and dairy is not important to anyone. Some love it and it doesn't effect them so they eat it but many are dairy intolerant and don't know it. Dairy is highly insulinogenic meaning it requires more insulin to keep bs down. It spikes me even in small amounts. You are a creative cook and there are all kinds of things you can do with baked eggs that don't require crusts or dairy. I used to bake them in muffin tins with bacon, scallions, sausage, herbs etc and they were freezable. Now I generally prefer the simplicity of a veggie omelet or hard boiled egg salad with mayo. I used to adore cooking, my hobby in fact, now I just keep it simple but I have lost no flavors what so ever. As I'm sure you know recipes can be far more complicated than they need and require far more ingredients than necessary. A little fat, sea salt , a few veg and some herbs go a very long way. You can use almond unsweetened almond milk to replace milk. If you have a Trader Joes near by they have an awesome unsweetened vanilla almond milk.

Low carb flu is your body going from burning carbs to burning fat for fuel and it can take up to two weeks for the transition. During that time you can be tired, moody, bloated and any other flu like symptoms. When did yours start? Before low carbing or a few days into it?

I hope you don't have polycistic ovaries :(.

I would also describe my self as an optimistic meloncholist. Haha. Good term. And I too analyze everything

Nosher knows much more about RH than I as I don't have it but I do know carbs are the enemy there as well. And dairy may even be worse because it elicits a much bigger insulin response than low carb foods. IMO all forms of bs disregulation require the low carb, moderate protein and higher percentage ( not necessarily high fat) fat diet.
I know you are giving up loads of foods you love. Most of us have but loving yourself and your health more is the key. You seem to understand this and are willing to do it. Awesome attitude.
 
Being hyperinsulinaemic means you have too much insulin in your blood and this leads to a number of conditions, but for weight gain insulin excess is a major factor.
Your body reacts to what you put in your mouth, your insulin response is to the amount of carbs and sugars turn into glucose of which insulin is needed to balance the levels. Insulin resistance leads to too much glucose I in your blood.
So that's why you have become diagnosed as diabetic.
This all takes time.
Not many doctors check insulin levels because it is too expensive.
They would rather treat blood glucose disorders, because sometimes those with high insulin levels do not get diabetes. Or not get it for decades.

I agree with @Kristin1988 ditch the carbs.
Gradually lower your carbs until you see constant normal levels and keep experimenting.

Good post Kristin.
 
Thanks nosher , yours too!

Nosher brings up a very good point. I know you're trying to lose weight and lower BS. Insulin is a growth hormone as well as your fat storing hormone.

I have a few examples of how it effects weight.
1) before DX and put on insulin I lost boat loads of weight, too much. Once starting insulin I gained back my 20 pounds in two months ( luckily it stopped there but goes to show how insulin packs pounds on)

2) recently I wanted to lose a few pounds so I reduced a bunch of fat in my diet and as a result I reduced insulin in half and I lost 7 pounds in 2 weeks. My goal was 10. Keep Mind I am on the lowest doses of insulin possible now. 1/2 at meals and 1 at night. I was on very low doses to begin with.

3) when I was on higher insulin doses I was so moody, cried everyday, never felt good. When I started insulin I was eating 20 c per meal and on much higher insulin doses. As I reduced carbs and insulin my weight gain stopped. Even now if I need to take a correction dose of only 1/2 unit between meals I get moody that day and generally cry for absolutely no reason. I am very insulin sensitive and it does effect my well being

All that being said you can see how insulin effects weight. So the idea behind losing weight ( and stabilizing BS ) is to keep insulin levels low. As nosher said, carbs and to some degree protein will spike insulin. So keeping those on the low side are what will keep insulin low and weight will come off.

So here's how I figured out my diet/ calories, though I don't count calories but would guess around 1000. I want less than 20 carbs a day, I want 5 ounces of protein divided by 3 meals and I fill the rest in with fats. Some days more than others I need a little more or less but I basically set my macros at each meal with what my meter approved and I just switch ip the protein fats and veggies.

Example.
BF is eithe 1/2 an avocado smashed with sea salt and celery sticks OR 1 piece of deli turkey on a big piece of romaine with mustard and mayo. This generally takes me from 8 until 3. Maybe 2 or 3 nuts or olives around noon (BTW I was always hungry until I stabilized BS)

L if I didn't have guac at BF it will be half an avocado with a little onion and scallion and 1.5 oz protein. Usually salmon tuna or poultry. Celery and radish
If I did have guac it will be the romaine wrap with the same accompaniments

D 2 oz protein either in a wrap or small salad either with mayo or olive oil depending, and a handful of steamed veggies. Protein could be poultry lamb beef shrimp or some other fish. Skies the limit

Bedtime snack is a scoop of peanut butter on a small piece of celery. I need this or I don't sleep.

I mentioned the Rosedale diet and found protein portions to be a key element in my control. It is actually the only macro nutrient I still weigh as it does have a profound effect on my control. He says nothing over 3 oz a time but I only eat 2 as I am not a large person . I do a ton of bulk cooking and freezing in baggies. Then I have tons of options daily and I just take out whatever I'm in the mood for and defrost in water then add too salad or wrap And add oil mayo or whatever I fancy that day. Keeps everything simple and tasty. I know the protein seems very small and I never thought I could get by on that little but I feel so much better for it. I hope you end up finding a way to like avocado because it is so good to BS and very satisfying. In general people eat far more food than they need.

Sorry, I just got carried away.

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Tes78 said:
I was diagnosed last Friday type 2. I brought a glucose meter and it arrived today.
I have done 2 readings so far. One 90 mins after eating, the other 2 hours after eating.
I ate slimming world chicken saag and basmati rice (I was told basmati was ok because it's low gi)
My first reading was 13.1 and my second 12.8
I don't know what is was before eating because my meter had not been delivered when I started eating.
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Hi there, I recommend using this free website xxxxxxx It's a great way to track your nutrition, activity, calorie intake. You can also record meds and make notes so that you can see trends and correlations. Some people with diabetes can forget to balance their nutrition as they place all of their focus on low carb diets. Being healthy is not just about carbs, this site helps you to focus on general nutrition as well so that you stay healthy as you learn how to manage your diabetes. You can program in your own personal daily requirements of each vitamin/mineral or you can let the site use the standards programmed into it. Just staying aware is half the challenge and I find that using this site does just that.

J_Flo said:
Hi there, I recommend using this free website xxxxxxxx It's a great way to track your nutrition, activity, calorie intake. You can also record meds and make notes so that you can see trends and correlations. Some people with diabetes can forget to balance their nutrition as they place all of their focus on low carb diets. Being healthy is not just about carbs, this site helps you to focus on general nutrition as well so that you stay healthy as you learn how to manage your diabetes. You can program in your own personal daily requirements of each vitamin/mineral or you can let the site use the standards programmed into it. Just staying aware is half the challenge and I find that using this site does just that.
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Sorry - I spelled the website wrong. www.cronometer.com is correct.
 
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J_Flo said:
Hi there, I recommend using this free website xxxxxxx It's a great way to track your nutrition, activity, calorie intake. You can also record meds and make notes so that you can see trends and correlations. Some people with diabetes can forget to balance their nutrition as they place all of their focus on low carb diets. Being healthy is not just about carbs, this site helps you to focus on general nutrition as well so that you stay healthy as you learn how to manage your diabetes. You can program in your own personal daily requirements of each vitamin/mineral or you can let the site use the standards programmed into it. Just staying aware is half the challenge and I find that using this site does just that.


Sorry - I spelled the website wrong. www.cronometer.com is correct.
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Personally I would ignore this website because it's not for diabetics or blood glucose disorders.
 
nosher8355 said:
Personally I would ignore this website because it's not for diabetics or blood glucose disorders.
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I am not sure I understand your comment. It is a diet tracking application like myfitnesspal and many others.
 
Nosher is one smart man

Since I don't eat lots of food I do buy high quality food. Wild Alaskan fish, organic veggies , grass fed meat and organic poultry. At the very least hormone and antibiotic free. I have a wide variety of green veggies and salad greens as well as proteins and fats. I also have a variety of nuts and seeds. Not sure which nutrients I might be missing.

Perhaps my grains and dairy or high carb foods? I'll take my chances....
 
I did say personally, mate.
I believe that it wouldn't benefit the OP. In my opinion.

No worries!
 
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