Is this too high?

[JohnEGreen]

Tried cauliflower rice for the first time last night with chilli was OK. Even the wife liked it rest of family not so sure.

 

[Sirmione]

Lay off the oranges ! Tropical fruit is high in fructose ! The the "natuaral sugar" thing is a marketing ploy.
The hotter the climate required to grow a fruit the higher the sugar content.
Fruits that grow in northern europe such as apples, pear plums are generally OK for most diabetics in smallish ammounts, and berries are consdered safe especially with double cream or unsweetened full fat yoghurt

 

[mfactor]

Not knocking it but are not slimming world etc generally low fat diets ( which is rapidly being shown as mistaken, but will leave that for another thread ) and doing that and low carb might be a mistake as the reason we LCHF,ers eat fat is to make up for the low carb intake, so you might really struggle.....

 

[Tes78]

Oranges seem to be ok for me so far... Only having 1 per day and levels every time have been lower 2 hours after than before.
I have tested them because I have read mixed options on them, some people can't have them others can.

Slimming world is real food, just because the diet allowes carbs doesn't mean you need to eat them... You have lots of flexibility. I am managing this week to bale cue a higher fat intake and no carb rich foods. You are given a "syn" limit each day and I am using them for fats. I get weighed on Mondays, I can let you know how these changes have effected me this week.

I am finding this forum very helpful... My levels are lower every day.

 

[neety41]

SW and WW are both good as they encourage cooking from scratch and avoiding processed foods

 

[Lamont D]

SW and WW are both good as they encourage cooking from scratch and avoiding processed foods

But they still 'recommend' must have carbs even with their low carb approach.
For someone like me, that is recommending poison and that was what contributed to my health issues for well over a decade of dieting on their diets, which did not lose me anything as well as lots of others.
It is a sustainable lifestyle change that is required, not a diet!
A diet implies quick fix.
It can't be if you need good control for the rest of your life!
Or for those that are desperate to lose a lot of quickly, because if that diet doesn't deliver, you will try another, that has cheats and syns!
Only when diabetics get their insulin resistance sorted can you really have a few more carbs in your daily intake.
Carbs are carbs, no matter how you label them and for most T2 diabetics, they are just adding petrol to the fire.

I apologise if this is too harsh, but sometimes, you need good information and advice!

 

[Magisham]

Anyone see Lisa Riley on Loose Women today? She has gone down 7 dress sizes and says it's because she's cut out the carbs.

 

[Kristin251]

All carbs require insulin and all diabetics have issues with carbs / insulin one way or another. If you are insulin resistant ( mainly T2) stop spiking insulin with carbs and become more insulin sensative. If you are T 1, stop eating carbs and covering them with higher doses of insulin. Low insulin levels are the key to longevity.

You may be able to eat an orange without raising your BS BUT you are still raising your insulin. High insulin may be worse than high BS. I also bet your BS would be lower without the orange and maybe a few berries instead. We all love our food and hate giving them up but most of us have done just that for our health. Personally I don't like to push the envelope.

 

[Tes78]

It's not too harsh nosher. It's something you feel strongly about and I respect your opion. I can see where you are coming from with the carbs thing, but it wouldn't matter if I was doing a "diet plan" or not for a long time I have been eating carbs not knowing the damage its been doing to me. The syns are there some people can have higher calorie foods, they do not have to be used on chocolate or cake, they can be used an a bit of extra cheese, or some oil to cook with. People do tend to use them on "treats" but for most people that's not an issue because they are not diabetic so their body deals with the sugars as it was disignen to. Looking back the only person to blame for my health now is me, I have mistreated my body and my treat for a long time was a treeeeeeeeeeeat. My food choices over the last few months have been loads better cutting out most sugars, but until last week I did not realise what carbs were doing to me. So I now choose to cut out the carbs and use my syns for fats. For now I seem to be working slimming world round my levels. It's all new for me right now, so I'm taking on lots of different views, options and information and working my way through it to find what works for me.

I didn't see lose women, it's alway lovely to see someone succeed so well. Inspiring

 

[Kristin251]

Great attitude! I'm sure you will find your nitch. You are taking control and learning. Never a bad thing. Don't blame yourself, we have all been there. Not every one has the ' blessing' of diabetes to wake themselves up. Haha. You seem very proactive and I can only imagine it will serve your better health

 

[Tes78]

Thank you kristin, I am going to skip my mid morning orange today to see if it makes a difference over the day at all. Only way to know is to try I guess.

I do have a question... I'm seeing a patten in the mornings and am a bit confused about it.
I do a reading when I get up and before and 2 hours after eating.
My readings seem to be higher at my second reading before breakfast than when I first wake up, but during that time I have not had any food only a coffee. Which during the day seems to be fine and not effect my readings.

Tuesday - wake up (7:20am) 7.7 breakfast before (8:30) 8.7 - 1.0 higher
Wednesday - wake up (7:20am) 6.7 breakfast before (9:05) 9.1 - 2.4 higher
Thursday - wake up (7:20am) 6.9 breakfast before (9:15) 8.1 - 2.2 higher
Friday - wake up (7:20) 7.3 before breakfast (9:30) 10.3 - 3.0 higher

Is this normal for it to go higher without eating? I read that your body produces sugar during the night so morning readings can be higher than day time ones, but wouldn't that mean my first reading would be the highest?

 

[mfactor]

But they still 'recommend' must have carbs even with their low carb approach.
For someone like me, that is recommending poison and that was what contributed to my health issues for well over a decade of dieting on their diets, which did not lose me anything as well as lots of others.
It is a sustainable lifestyle change that is required, not a diet!
A diet implies quick fix.
It can't be if you need good control for the rest of your life!
Or for those that are desperate to lose a lot of quickly, because if that diet doesn't deliver, you will try another, that has cheats and syns!
Only when diabetics get their insulin resistance sorted can you really have a few more carbs in your daily intake.
Carbs are carbs, no matter how you label them and for most T2 diabetics, they are just adding petrol to the fire.

I apologise if this is too harsh, but sometimes, you need good information and advice!

You got there before me Nosher, a quick google of diets will find page after page of why diets dont work (95% failure rate), and am going to go further than you and say that WW and SW are nothing more than money making exercises....

As you said , "It is a sustainable lifestyle change that is required, not a diet!" ...... thats the long and short of it really

 

[TooManyCrisps]

Thank you kristin, I am going to skip my mid morning orange today to see if it makes a difference over the day at all. Only way to know is to try I guess.

I do have a question... I'm seeing a patten in the mornings and am a bit confused about it.
I do a reading when I get up and before and 2 hours after eating.
My readings seem to be higher at my second reading before breakfast than when I first wake up, but during that time I have not had any food only a coffee. Which during the day seems to be fine and not effect my readings.

Tuesday - wake up (7:20am) 7.7 breakfast before (8:30) 8.7 - 1.0 higher
Wednesday - wake up (7:20am) 6.7 breakfast before (9:05) 9.1 - 2.4 higher
Thursday - wake up (7:20am) 6.9 breakfast before (9:15) 8.1 - 2.2 higher
Friday - wake up (7:20) 7.3 before breakfast (9:30) 10.3 - 3.0 higher

Is this normal for it to go higher without eating? I read that your body produces sugar during the night so morning readings can be higher than day time ones, but wouldn't that mean my first reading would be the highest?

I experience this as well. My bs seems to climb in the mornings, regardless of what I do or don't eat. It usually is around 7 - 8 when I wake up. By mid morning it's well over 8, even if I don't eat breakfast. Then after about 11am it starts to drop, usually quite rapidly. I have tried various different foods for breakfast but nothing seems to help. I have just accepted that that is how it is, and hopefully eventually the morning liver dump will sort itself out. My other numbers are coming down, so the lchf diet is working gor me.

A few weeks ago I posted on here about my morning readings and lots of people reassured me that the morning figure is the last one to come down.

 

[Tes78]

Wow, that does sound exactly the same. I was wondering if I was doing something wrong with my diet. I didn't have my orange yesterday and levels seem around the same but I do think I'll keep it cut out for a few days at least to see. Other than that I am having no sugars or carb rich foods... Meats, salad, bacon, eggs, cheese, mushrooms and onions have been my diet this week. I think they are all ok. If they are not please let know. I know I'm bound to make a few mistakes due to inexperience but within a few weeks I'm sure I can be "you" giving "me" advice. If that makes sense.

I am so grateful I joined this forum, the information I have read on others posts and been given on mine may have saved me from all types of health issues. The advice I was given by the doctor was low GI, low sugar. The very first day I was on here it was suggested getting a glucose meter to see what exactly effects me. Turns out that even low GI carbs sent my sugars through the roof. Without the advice given I would still be eating brown carbs and damaging my body without even knowing, thinking I was doing it right. Thank you guys X

 

[satkins]

I also struggle with morning numbers but as i continue with my lchf diet they are coming down. Now I'm in the 6's fasting and in the 7's before breakfat usually. I found that if I cheat, like having bread or other bread items, during the week those numbers go up a couple of notches. Its all about sticking to the diet. Its really hard some days as i love bread. Going to try some low carb ones this weekend to see if i like them and what they do to my bg.

 

[Kristin251]

Yes, that is normal but the way I avoided it was to have a small bite of something upon rising. No carbs just a bite of something fatty like a small swipe of peanut butter on a celery chunk or a celery stick with mayo. Just enough of something to elicit and insulin response that would start the drop. Now as T 1 I need to eat right when I get up so I can take insulin to stop the rise. My BF is by far my smallest meal of the day. Generally half and avocado smashed with sea salt and celery. I don't tolerate carbs or even much protein until later in the day even with insulin. I either have the guac or a piece of lettuce with mustard and mayo with a small slice of deli turkey.
I'm glad to hear you're taking out the orange early in the day. If you really miss it you might try half after lunch or dinner.

What are your post meal numbers?

 

[Tes78]

My post meal numbers are all ver but within the 2.0 after eating like recommended. Sometimes my post number is lower than my pre number... Other times higher. My machine does a weekly average and it's saying its 7.6
I'll write my numbers down so you can see what I mean.
.........
Tuesday
7:20am Wake up - 7.7

8:30am before orange - 8.7
2 hrs after 8.2

10:30am bacon and scrambled eggs - 8.2
2 hrs after 6.8

12:30pm pork, mushrooms and onions in a garlic stock - 6.8
3 hrs after 6.3

7pm eggs and bacon - 6.7
2 hrs after 9.8
......................................
Wednesday
7:20 wake up 6.7

9:05 Alpan light no added sugar - 9.1
2 hrs after 6.3

11:05 orange - 6.3
2 hrs after 8.0

1:05pm slimming world chicken tikka - 8.0
2 hrs 10 mins after 6.8

6:50pm bacon, eggs, mushroom, tomato, gluten free sausage - 6.9
2 hrs after 7.8
...............................................
Thursday
7:20 am wake up -6.9

9:15am Alpan light no added sugar 8.1
2 hrs after 9.1

11:15 am orange 9.1
2 hrs 20 mins after 6.2

1:35pm ham and cheese salad with chilli dressing - 6.2
3 hrs after 6.4

6:15pm cucumber spaghetti bolognese (cherry tomatoes, mushroom, onion, celery, carrot) - 6.3
2hrs 15 mins after 7.6
..................................................
Friday
7:20 wake up 7.3

9:30am mushroom, tomato, eggs, bacon, gluten free sausage - 10.3
2 hrs after 7.2

2:15pm Large mushrooms with red onion and garlic covered with cheese on a bed of salad - 7.3
2 hrs 15 mins after 5.9 (my best so far!! Whoop!)

7:30pm salt and pepper chicken legs with a mixed salad 6.6
2hrs 15 mins after 7.3
................................................
Saturday
8:30 wake up 7.2

10am Alpan light no added sugar 8.2
2hrs after 9.6

1:40 pm chicken base pizza topped with bacon, ham, mushroom, red onion and cheese 8.9
Tested but forgot to write it down

6:35 chicken curry with cauliflower rice - 6.8
2 hrs after 8.2
................................

There is my numbers pre and post and my diet this week. They do seem to be a bit over the place but seeing the morning patten of higher numbers before eating.

 

[Kristin251]

And after dinner you go up. Whatever Alpan light is, a summer yogurt, seems to raise you. I, not sure what your cooking things in such as butter or oil or nothing so you might want to look at how much fat is in the meal and I don't know the quantity of proteins either. They all work together but you do seem a little all over .
I also don't know how active you are during the day or between wake up and eating.
Maybe try a small bite of something right when you get up and see if that makes a difference. Like a small slice of cheese or a tsp nut butter.?

 

[Kristin251]

It does look like you may have a touch of RH too. When you eat carbs you get a larger insulin response which drops you. Then when you eat a mainly fat and protein meal you go up. Might want to keep an eye on that and see if you find a pattern

The problem is that having low BS is important but so is keeping insulin low. We can't lower bs without insulin so eating carbs and popping up insulin to lower BS is not always the answer either. I think we have to balance it all and all meals should have a little protein fat and carbs ( above ground veg)

 

[Tes78]

Few questions, what's RH?
Are carrots ok?
Can I have nuts? (wanted a 40g bag as a treat after weigh in tomorrow)

I am cooking in olive oil mostly. I used to use spray oil but have read when you cut out carbs you need to increase your fats. So I have been trying to do that. I have had 3 meals per day and an orange snack which I have now cut out. I do have a few of pictures of my meals.

I think I added them, but not sure if it's going to work
Oh and Alpan light is muesli.