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Just diagnosed, struggling!

tuppenybun

Member
Messages
6
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hi Peeps

I was just diagnosed type 2 10 days ago and was given little to no info by my GP, got a diabetic clinic appt with the nurse next month so I'm floundering a bit on what to eat and how to eat it (fasting, 5:2, primal) etc. I mentioned these to my GP and he said it's all just a fad and that i should put my faith in the tablets grrrr.....

I have all the books and websites, what I'm looking for is some advice and personal recommendations.

My bloods are 19 and 11, they've already come down in a week on Metaformin. I'm 50, 3 stone overweight, can't do much more exercise than I already do (swimming) due to Rheumatoid Arthritis.

I have never eaten cuciferous vegetables as they turn my stomach, so the usual cauliflower rice etc. won't do. I'm a total carb hound so I'm panicking about being able to do this for the rest of my life!!

Please help!
 
I'm still chuckling to myself about my lipid results - I had my second bloodtest after diagnosis and I put the numbers into an assessment program and although a couple were marginal I got normal and even an ideal for the ratio between the HDL and LDL - which is so funny as I do Atkins - and my Hba1c is below diabetic level now.
I usually eat a salad as my first meal if I get up at my usual late hour, have coffee mid afternoon, and I filled my freezer with meat from the local butcher, so we can have meat whenever we like. Sometimes I have just the meat and follow it with berries and cream, but I like a casserole or minced beef with onions, mushrooms, sweet pepper and tomato.
There are quite a few different things which are low carb - and if you miss such things as potatoes then simmering radishes in two changes of water takes the taste out of them and they are a good substitute, I'm told - I don't miss them myself.
 
Hi Peeps

I was just diagnosed type 2 10 days ago and was given little to no info by my GP, got a diabetic clinic appt with the nurse next month so I'm floundering a bit on what to eat and how to eat it (fasting, 5:2, primal) etc. I mentioned these to my GP and he said it's all just a fad and that i should put my faith in the tablets grrrr.....

I have all the books and websites, what I'm looking for is some advice and personal recommendations.

My bloods are 19 and 11, they've already come down in a week on Metaformin. I'm 50, 3 stone overweight, can't do much more exercise than I already do (swimming) due to Rheumatoid Arthritis.

I have never eaten cuciferous vegetables as they turn my stomach, so the usual cauliflower rice etc. won't do. I'm a total carb hound so I'm panicking about being able to do this for the rest of my life!!

My advice is do not panic. Do something simple like cutting out all or most sugary things. Then make a list of the foods you like. Start to look for substitutes for anything that might not be good for you. The only way you will work that out is to blood test before and after certain carbs. That will tell you what you cannot tolerate well.
You will find things like the Lidl high protein rolls a good substitute for bread. Check you food choices a lot have hidden sugar.
This is not a disease that happens quickly and will not kill you quickly.
There is a lot of info available on the diet doctor website , Tom Kerridges book is great for cutting out carbs.
Lots of forum members are on low carb high fat diets which may work for you. I cannot take metformin so have no choice in what I am going to have to do. Read lots on this forum and you will learn loads.
 
... I'm floundering a bit on what to eat and how to eat it (fasting, 5:2, primal) etc.
There's no need to jump into anything extreme, especially while you've already got a lot on your plate to deal with. Simply reducing your total carb count can help a lot, while still eating pretty normally.
My bloods are 19 and 11, they've already come down in a week on Metaformin.
Metformin takes several weeks to start having an impact, so you can take full credit thus far. Whatever you're doing is helping.

I'm 50, 3 stone overweight, can't do much more exercise than I already do (swimming) due to Rheumatoid Arthritis.
It's a good idea to be careful with the exercise at first, since you probably don't know conclusively yet that you aren't Type 1. And even Type 2s can produce ketones at diagnosis, when things are still a bit whacky.

I have never eaten cuciferous vegetables as they turn my stomach, so the usual cauliflower rice etc. won't do. I'm a total carb hound so I'm panicking about being able to do this for the rest of my life!!
A more moderate approach can be to replace grains with starchy vegetables, lentils, beans, etcs. Instead of going straight to cauliflower rice, you could try a modest amount of potatoes (19 carbs/100g), soy bean noodles (37 carbs/100g), pigeon peas (21 carbs/100g), butternut squash (10 carbs/100g) etc. It can also help to replace calories lost from reduced carbs with increased healthy fats. Even cauliflower isn't too horrible when oven-roasted and covered in cheese :D
 
There's no need to jump into anything extreme, especially while you've already got a lot on your plate to deal with. Simply reducing your total carb count can help a lot, while still eating pretty normally.

Metformin takes several weeks to start having an impact, so you can take full credit thus far. Whatever you're doing is helping.


It's a good idea to be careful with the exercise at first, since you probably don't know conclusively yet that you aren't Type 1. And even Type 2s can produce ketones at diagnosis, when things are still a bit whacky.


A more moderate approach can be to replace grains with starchy vegetables, lentils, beans, etcs. Instead of going straight to cauliflower rice, you could try a modest amount of potatoes (19 carbs/100g), soy bean noodles (37 carbs/100g), pigeon peas (21 carbs/100g), butternut squash (10 carbs/100g) etc. It can also help to replace calories lost from reduced carbs with increased healthy fats. Even cauliflower isn't too horrible when oven-roasted and covered in cheese :D
Cauliflower Cheese, with added vegetables of your own choice, is absolutely gorgeous! I thought I could never live without my Cheesy Baked Potato ... which was my comfort food ... but this definitely takes the place of it and tastes wonderful !
 
There is no rush...as @ME_Valentijn pointed out, just reducing your carbs will start showing improvements in your glucose levels. Putting your faith only in the tablets is guaranteed to see progression to complications.

You can tweak your lifestyle as you go along. Like many of us, you may soon find that you don't need any tablets to manage your glucose. Find a way that is sustainable and enjoyable for you.
 
Hi Peeps

I was just diagnosed type 2 10 days ago and was given little to no info by my GP, got a diabetic clinic appt with the nurse next month so I'm floundering a bit on what to eat and how to eat it (fasting, 5:2, primal) etc. I mentioned these to my GP and he said it's all just a fad and that i should put my faith in the tablets grrrr.....

I have all the books and websites, what I'm looking for is some advice and personal recommendations.

My bloods are 19 and 11, they've already come down in a week on Metaformin. I'm 50, 3 stone overweight, can't do much more exercise than I already do (swimming) due to Rheumatoid Arthritis.

I have never eaten cuciferous vegetables as they turn my stomach, so the usual cauliflower rice etc. won't do. I'm a total carb hound so I'm panicking about being able to do this for the rest of my life!!

Please help!
Hi @tuppenybun ... and welcome
I was in exactly the same position as you when I was diagnosed T2 about 3 weeks ago .. shocked, worried and feeling lost, with no info from my Doc. Since joining this forum, though, the folks here have given me so much help, advice and support that I am now much more confident about the journey ahead .. and actually beginning to consider myself a bit of an "old hand". Still early for me but, in my experience, it gets easier .. very quickly

I agree with @ME_Valentijn who advises "There's no need to jump into anything extreme, especially while you've already got a lot on your plate to deal with". At the same time. though, as others have said, managing and controlling your diabetes through exercise, diet and testing - with or without medication - seems to be the best way forward.

Ifyou are planning to test your BG levels, this may be useful. I was given the website at: https://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/ for the SD Codefree meter and I ordered one which arrived a few days ago . While I was waiting for this I also found the website at: http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/ who distribute the TEE 2 meter, which is free. I have been using both for comparative purposes since Feb 16th. In a recent email, I received details of a new T2 testing programme offer: https://www.type2testing.com .. another free meter. The costs of testing comes down to the ongoing charges for test strips and lancets. I'm testing 3-4 times a day which works out at around £10 to £12 per month for the three packages above. I don't know yet whether my Surgery will provide the strips etc on prescription .. but, more importantly, I now know what my BG levels are .. and I will be able to manage them

You might also find the following post useful ...
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/taking-the-driving-seat.116651/
 
I'm still chuckling to myself about my lipid results - I had my second bloodtest after diagnosis and I put the numbers into an assessment program and although a couple were marginal I got normal and even an ideal for the ratio between the HDL and LDL - which is so funny as I do Atkins - and my Hba1c is below diabetic level now.
I usually eat a salad as my first meal if I get up at my usual late hour, have coffee mid afternoon, and I filled my freezer with meat from the local butcher, so we can have meat whenever we like. Sometimes I have just the meat and follow it with berries and cream, but I like a casserole or minced beef with onions, mushrooms, sweet pepper and tomato.
There are quite a few different things which are low carb - and if you miss such things as potatoes then simmering radishes in two changes of water takes the taste out of them and they are a good substitute, I'm told - I don't miss them myself.
I love Atkins too! Nicely helps to get rid of a sweet tooth as well!
 
Hi
I will tag @daisy1 for you who will be along with some very usefull information to get you started.
Good luck
 
You're definitely not alone, so please do check in with us whenever you need some guidance!

I can concur that the Lidl protein rolls are amazing. They're only 10g carbs a piece, and one roll is usually very filling, especially when you put (cream) cheese or butter on it. :) I like to pop the sliced halves into the toaster to make them taste like fresh out of the oven.

As others have said, gradually reducing carbs is a good way to go. Although my treatment allows me a lot of flexibility, I do try to have my plates be balanced out well. I try to make my meat and vegetable servings bigger than the carbs (like potatoes), which means I still get to have potatoes and rice as long as it's not that much. Smaller portion sizes for carbs help a lot!

Try to pick fruits that are lower in sugars, like berries and plums, and avoid high sugary fruit like apples and oranges.

Just remember to take it slow. One step at a time is as fast as you need to go. :) Make small changes that stick. You sound smart and capable, I'm sure you can do this!
 
Try to pick fruits that are lower in sugars, like berries and plums, and avoid high sugary fruit like apples and oranges.

One single plum sent me to double figures. A small apple is fine if eaten as part of a meal but not on its own. This just shows the importance of testing!
 
Hi Peeps

I was just diagnosed type 2 10 days ago and was given little to no info by my GP, got a diabetic clinic appt with the nurse next month so I'm floundering a bit on what to eat and how to eat it (fasting, 5:2, primal) etc. I mentioned these to my GP and he said it's all just a fad and that i should put my faith in the tablets grrrr.....

I have all the books and websites, what I'm looking for is some advice and personal recommendations.

My bloods are 19 and 11, they've already come down in a week on Metaformin. I'm 50, 3 stone overweight, can't do much more exercise than I already do (swimming) due to Rheumatoid Arthritis.

I have never eaten cuciferous vegetables as they turn my stomach, so the usual cauliflower rice etc. won't do. I'm a total carb hound so I'm panicking about being able to do this for the rest of my life!!

Please help!

if you are going to go low carb, I have two words to say to you - fry ups! when I want to have a good low carb breakfast, it's off to the caff for me for fried eggs, bacon, mushrooms and sausages. The ones my local cafe owner does dont make my blood sugar spike. If I want to have a low carb lunch, cheese and mushroom omelette at my other local caff. He will put some salad on with my omelette and that does the trick. You will find that if you eat low carb for a few days (normally about 5) you will find the urge to eat carbs gets less.

Anyway, you are going to have loads of info being thrown at you, lots of appointments with the doc and you will also go on your DESMOND course (which is like diabetic school). Take everything really slowly and learn as much as you can. I am two years down the line and still make the most amazing messups.

Try not to worry, it is a bit of shock hearing that you have got diabetes, but it is far from the end of the world. My sugars were 22 when I had my first test.

P
 
@tuppenybun

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new Members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 147,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

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Hi Peeps

I was just diagnosed type 2 10 days ago and was given little to no info by my GP, got a diabetic clinic appt with the nurse next month so I'm floundering a bit on what to eat and how to eat it (fasting, 5:2, primal) etc. I mentioned these to my GP and he said it's all just a fad and that i should put my faith in the tablets grrrr.....

I have all the books and websites, what I'm looking for is some advice and personal recommendations.

My bloods are 19 and 11, they've already come down in a week on Metaformin. I'm 50, 3 stone overweight, can't do much more exercise than I already do (swimming) due to Rheumatoid Arthritis.

I have never eaten cuciferous vegetables as they turn my stomach, so the usual cauliflower rice etc. won't do. I'm a total carb hound so I'm panicking about being able to do this for the rest of my life!!

Please help!

You seem to be in a similar position to myself 3 months ago. If you cut out unnecessary carbs such as cakes, sweets, biscuits etc., cut down on portion sizes for spuds, rice, bread, pasta etc. your carbohydrate loading will fall dramatically. If you can increase exercise too that would be great but don't overdo it, the key is getting weight off which may (not certain but may) increase insulin sensitivity. It will certainly do you no harm and a diet like this should help to reduce blood sugars.
 
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