Ketosis

[lucylocket61]

wait.....................have I missed this, or forgotten this?

we count the grams of protein in our meat or whatever, not the total weight of the chop or egg or whatever? how do I find the protein part please?

I miss my brain cells : )

 

[Bluetit1802]

wait.....................have I missed this, or forgotten this?

we count the grams of protein in our meat or whatever, not the total weight of the chop or egg or whatever? how do I find the protein part please?

I miss my brain cells : )

Same way we find the total carbs .... on the nutrition label or from Carbs & Cals, or from the supermarket website, or even from the growers/farmers/producers association websites.

 

[SueJB]

I find that too much protein impacts my fasting blood glucose levels, but it doesn’t throw me out of ketosis. Seems to vary between individuals.

How do you you're in ketosis? Do you test your ketones?

 

[SueJB]

...and how (quickly)do you know if you have been thrown out of ketosis or not? Very curious about this.

me too

 

[SueJB]

That is certainly my experience. Except when fasting my ketone levels are usually sub 1.0 mmol usually around 0.5.
When fasting they can go a lot higher.

Edit to add.. this might of course because I am having so much protein.. lightbulb moment.. but I'm afraid I enjoy carnivory too much to stop!

Last time I tested it was 0.7, not all that good really. I know there's a cline between nutritional ketosis and ketoacidosis and that optimal ketosis is 1.5 to 3mmol/L which is supposed to maximise fat burning. When diagnosed I was 4.8. I was super strict and the powers that be just thought, "yeah diabetes" and not a product of following a good diet

 

[SueJB]

wait.....................have I missed this, or forgotten this?

we count the grams of protein in our meat or whatever, not the total weight of the chop or egg or whatever? how do I find the protein part please?

I miss my brain cells : )

I miss my brain cells too. I look in my cals and carb book

 

[Goonergal]

How do you you're in ketosis? Do you test your ketones?

Yes. I have a meter (Caresens Dual) which reads ketones. Don’t test very often as the strips are very expensive. Meter is free from Spirit Healthcare and you get a couple of free ketone strips and 10 free BG strips (I use the SD Codefree for BG readings though).

 

[bulkbiker]

Last time I tested it was 0.7, not all that good really. I know there's a cline between nutritional ketosis and ketoacidosis and that optimal ketosis is 1.5 to 3mmol/L which is supposed to maximise fat burning. When diagnosed I was 4.8. I was super strict and the powers that be just thought, "yeah diabetes" and not a product of following a good diet

But in Type 1's I thought that ketoacidosis requires high ketones and very high blood sugars (no insulin)?

 

[SueJB]

But in Type 1's I thought that ketoacidosis requires high ketones and very high blood sugars (no insulin)?

Not sure, it's something I'm going to check out with the consultant next week. From what I have gleaned, my 4.8 put me into what is called starvation ketosis but not ketoacidosis. I just wasn't eating enough

 

[Scott-C]

But in Type 1's I thought that ketoacidosis requires high ketones and very high blood sugars (no insulin)?

Not necessarily. There's a rare version called euglycaemic dka which can occur without high bg if a few bad things happen at the wrong times.

Can't find the link now, but there was a quite disturbing post a few weeks back when a T1 posted describing symptoms which chimed a lot with the symptoms and causes described in the link below - chills, nausea, fasting, lots of water, still taking basal.

She was worried about high ketones, but had ok bg.

She was, irresponsibly in my view, and despite others, including me, telling her to see emergency services immediately, reassured by a keto person, that because she didn't have high bg, she didn't have to worry about dka at all, even though the other symptoms she posted about went way beyond keto flu and seemed to suggest that euglycaemic dka might be a possibility.

Nutritional ketosis is an option for experienced people but, hmm, not so simple for T1 newbies.

Here's the link referred to above:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4488998/

 

[merlo]

wait.....................have I missed this, or forgotten this?

we count the grams of protein in our meat or whatever, not the total weight of the chop or egg or whatever? how do I find the protein part please?

I miss my brain cells : )

Almost all the foods that are thought of as protein (meat, eggs, cheese, fish - not tofu) have 7g of protein per oz. of protein containing food. So you should be able to do the math on most of these foods w/out having to look it up.

 

[merlo]

I've read that to get into ketosis, you have to watch the amount of protein you eat. I've also read that it should be limited to 1g per kilo of weight. Any thoughts on this please? @bulkbiker you seem to be the person who knows lots about this, any ideas?

Steve Phinney and Jeff Volek (who have published the vast majority of research on nutritional ketosis) advocate 1.2-1.7g/kilo per day. You shouldn't eat that all at once- split it up into your meals. Too much protein WILL kick you out of ketosis, but at the same time, you want enough to maintain your lean mass.