Yes I agree with this. My sleep patterns were messed up years ago because my son stopped breathing in his sleep when he was a baby. My GP refused to believe this had happened and refused to let me have an alarm to monitor him, so I set my alarm clock to wake me several times a night to check on him. After a couple of weeks of doing this I woke up naturally after only an hour's sleep. It took me years to get out of this habit and put my sleep patterns right again and in the meantime I had well and truly messed up my circadian rhythms so I put on weight. However one of those times I had set my alarm I found my son had stopped breathing again. It was worth me messing up my health to keep my child safe. But you just see me as fat and lazy and stupid and unable to count calories properly because I am now diabetic. Behind every messed up metabolism there is a story and it's not all about gorging on meat pies. Have a heart and listen to us, don't preach.4. Sleep - a key factor in improved insulin sensitivity and how you metabolise nutrients
being overweight is a key risk factor in insulin resistance
I have just re-read this thread very carefully. I see no-one who has said calories dont matter. I do see many who have said that the make up of those calories has an effect above and beyond the standard calorie effect normally seen in those who have not got a metabolic condition. This effect, for many, overrides the calorific value of t.he food, thus making calorie counting a tool, but not the master of the situation.
I count both calories and carbs.
"Calories are all that matter" and "calories are part, but not all, of the equation" are equally true, it just depends on who you are applying them to regarding their health condition(s)
Here, on a Diabetes Site, the latter is our truth.
Yes I agree with this. My sleep patterns were messed up years ago because my son stopped breathing in his sleep when he was a baby. My GP refused to believe this had happened and refused to let me have an alarm to monitor him, so I set my alarm clock to wake me several times a night to check on him. After a couple of weeks of doing this I woke up naturally after only an hour's sleep. It took me years to get out of this habit and put my sleep patterns right again and in the meantime I had well and truly messed up my circadian rhythms so I put on weight. However one of those times I had set my alarm I found my son had stopped breathing again. It was worth me messing up my health to keep my child safe. But you just see me as fat and lazy and stupid and unable to count calories properly because I am now diabetic. Behind every messed up metabolism there is a story and it's not all about gorging on meat pies. Have a heart and listen to us, don't preach.
And what if obesity is in fact a symptom of insulin resistance, rather than the other way around? For this n = 1, restriction of carbohydrates and reduction of insulin resistance through associated reduction in blood sugar levels, combined with intermittent fasting (to rest the pancreas and further enhance insulin sensitivity) has led to reversal of T2DM and significant weight loss (details in signature) where standard CICO approaches failed over several years.
You may regard this as anecdotal, and indeed it is. But there is no substitute for personal experience and that is what lies behind perceived evangelism here - when one has found a way of eating that has been truly life changing (and it really has), it is only natural to want others to experience the same benefits.
Perhaps they weren't counting their carbs correctly.However, LC and LCHF don't work for everyone and when they don't people end up coming to me confused "but I was only eating 20g of carbs per day" I never ate Pizza, cake or crisps" no, you were just eating too much food period, because you were confused as to the true mechanism of fat gain - calories, not carbs.
Still not answered this.....So what if you are currently at a good weight, either not having been overweight at all or have already lost it, by any method?
How do you then control too high blood glucose levels without medication? (Other than low carb that we all in here know works)
It's the other way around. If you understand how the body works as you get fatter you become insulin resistant
Perhaps they weren't counting their carbs correctly.The blame game works for both sides you know.
Still not answered this.....
If you have PCOS and your BMR is impaired - the solution? You have to eat less
If you're an overweight type 2 diabetic - the solution? You have to eat less
That is not a proven fact. It is your opinion. An opinion which is widely disputed. For example in the following.
http://clinchem.aaccjnls.org/content/64/1/7
You can disount that article purely on it's author - Noakes. It's an opinion piece and he's not an unbiased source of information of the topic
Interesting discussion.
I must admit that it is making me profoundly grateful that I have never stepped inside the sphere of a nutritionist/dietician/calorie expert, if this is a typical example of their ‘bedside manner’.
And these two statements... goodness, what an excellent way to alienate your audience.
As someone with both PCOS and severe glucose dysregulation, I am absolutely delighted to report that eating very low (or even zero) carbs has allowed me to eat to my appetite without weight gain. And my appetite is significantThis is after years of living with the spectre of calorie counting haunting my shoulder for decades. Now I eat plenty. Good portions. Nice satisfyingly fatty belly pork, lamb shoulder, sausages, cheese, cream in drinks and cooking. Delicious.
The result? I am comfortably eating between 500 and 1000 more of those pesky calorie things than i used to, and I am not gaining weight.
Marvellous.
Years of counting and hassle, yet now I eat significantly more, rich, energy dense foods, and hunger is an rare visitor rather than a constant torturer.
I accept that orthodox training of healthcare professionals is behind the times, and that those at the forefront of change are often mocked and derided by the established order, but what really saddens me is that so many people in circumstances such as my own are being told that they must live lives of hunger, deprivation and discomfort (by constantly cutting their ‘calories to levels which practically guarantee malnutrition), when simply changing the advice could transform their lives. Thank goodness for this forum, eh? Where we can swap ideas and learn what works for each of us, instead of being told to be constantly hungry, and that our glucose dysregulation is basically due to us eating too much.
You can disount that article purely on it's author - Noakes. It's an opinion piece and he's not an unbiased source of information of the topic
No it doesn’t suggest type 1. It suggests you don’t know as much as you think you do about diabetes. Not all type 2 are overweight on diagnosis. Many of us have reached appropriate weights and continue to have high blood sugars unless we low carb. If we eat carbs instead of fat we get higher blood sugars and gain weight. Hence weight gain being a symptom of diabetes (disregulation of carb intake) not just an aggravating factor.In that particular scenario then lowering carbs would be an option if medication is not deemed favorable. That would suggest misdiagnosed Type 1 rather than type 2 symptoms though.
Ah, that statement is soooo informative.
What astonishes me, is that by that statement you are claiming that he is biased and you are not.
I suggest that you re-assess, because bias is unavoidable, and by implying that you are not biased, you undermine every post you have made on this forum.
So when he wrote the "Lore of Running" and it supported your hypothesis he was great but since he changed his mind he's now worthless?
Now I can see where you are coming from the orthodoxy of 20th century science is great and anything "new" must be put down.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Complete strawman.
Low carb diet's are not new either. Wasn't it yourself who cited the benefits of the banting diet in a previous thread?
Not really.
Tim Noakes did some superb work on hydration research, I still quote it to this day. But he lost his way when it comes to research around carbohydrates and obesity.
Surely that's the very definition of being unbiased?
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