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Low Carb Diabetes Site in Trouble.

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MikeTurin said:
I don't know if they changed their website after the article but seems to me that is very empty of content - few pages that seems ripped from some other site wrapped in tons of javascript and CSS.
Rings to me as somewhat fishy.
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yes, it says in the article that the contents was pulled after the complaint by the relative of the elderly woman.
 
My whole point in linking the article was to show the sort of witch hunt the media and establishment do when someone promotes low carbing.

not to start a witch hunt on here for the guy. I dont know him, I have no link with him, but the article and the charity one linked are deliberately misleading, especially about his charity which ran foul of a **** up not of his doing.

edited to add; ok, it does look dodgy about the charity.
 
Very disappointing that the BBC base the entire article on tittle tattle (and apparently quite uninformed tittle tattle at that).
E-mail of complaint sent off however I imagine I'll get the usual BBC platitudes in response if any at all.
Seems to be .. "lady gets stomach ache so lets bash a website"
Also no surprise to find Diabetes UK Cymru helping the bashing.. they're just an offshoot of the other people..
 
Not sure you can refer to an elderly woman being in pain as tittle tattle
 
Boo1979 said:
Not sure you can refer to an elderly woman being in pain as tittle tattle
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That was referring to this bit

"An 82-year-old woman's family said she became ill"

so far as I am aware that fits the definition of "tittle tattle..
as we will never know the extremity of the pain I wouldn't ever comment on that.
 
Nor do we know what advice was given but some seem to be assuming that the site must have been blameless ( they are low carb after all!) and subject to an anti low carb witch hunt. Before / until the full facts are known, taking any position on the validity or otherwise of the suggested connection of her pain to the low carb advice she may have been given is based on nothing more than our own belief system as opposed to fact
 
Another forum also has a post about this 'story' (because it's not factual news), no further comments/replies showing on that thread.................guess where their allegiance lie. ;)
 
Boo1979 said:
Nor do we know what advice was given but some seem to be assuming that the site must have been blameless ( they are low carb after all!) and subject to an anti low carb witch hunt. Before / until the full facts are known, taking any position on the validity or otherwise of the suggested connection of her pain to the low carb advice she may have been given is based on nothing more than our own belief system as opposed to fact
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Agree completely.. maybe we should tell that to Diabetes UK Cymru who seem to have leapt in with their comments
"Dai Williams, the national director of Diabetes UK Cymru, said: "The potential impact of the advice can be quite catastrophic because you don't really know what surrounds that person, you don't know what kind of diabetes they've got and what medication they're taking." "
 
What is said and what is heard is rarely the same thing
According to the news article, the site says that the advice given to the patiant / her family was to limit carbohydrates
According to the family, the advice was that the newly diagnosed patient should cut out carbs
Both are probably true in terms of what people thought was communicated, which is why it is potentially so very dangerous to give online advice out of context and without knowing everything about the situation of the other person
 
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I know a chap in Wales (elderly) that was told by docs to go low fat... he went no fat and ended up really, really ill...

Just shows the way people can interpret things wrongly...and extremely off their own backs...
 
I think it is shameful to give dietary advice to another, especially a little old lady unless you are a GP, (preferably their GP who has their notes), a dietician or a diabetes nurse (not any old nurse). Advising low carb to someone who may have a heart risk and therefore need to eliminate say, saturated fats, could caused them to have a stroke or heart attack because they might try to replace the calories from the carbs with the wrong fats.
 
Tannith said:
I think it is shameful to give dietary advice to another, especially a little old lady unless you are a GP, (preferably their GP who has their notes), a dietician or a diabetes nurse (not any old nurse). Advising low carb to someone who may have a heart risk and therefore need to eliminate say, saturated fats, could caused them to have a stroke or heart attack because they might try to replace the calories from the carbs with the wrong fats.
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Sorry but you have just advised us.. incorrectly in my opinion... to eliminate saturated fats or we might have a heart attack or stroke. We are all here to share our experiences.. as you are doing with your Newcastle Diet posts. I'm not sure I can see the difference to be honest.
 
Tannith said:
I think it is shameful to give dietary advice to another, especially a little old lady unless you are a GP, (preferably their GP who has their notes), a dietician or a diabetes nurse (not any old nurse).
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In that case perhaps we should all post our "Goodbyes", while hanging our heads in shame. Many of us would not have to give up our time to advise and encourage others if GP's etc could be trusted to give sensible dietary advice (such as that given by forum member, GP, Dr David Unwin) to Type 2 diabetics.
Sally
 
Grateful said:
Unfortunately, although there is plenty information in the article, it is still not enough to make up one's mind as to whether the criticism is justified.
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I agree, not enough detail. For example "she was given advice to cut out carbohydrates from her diet at a Diabetes.Cymru stand". Anyone who has tried Atkins (extreme Atkins I call it), cutting out all carb is very difficult. No carb would make you unwell especially if you didn't make up the calories that you might need. Possibly supplements would be required, as always, we're all different. I note further on that Mr Vaughan told BBC Wales that Diabetes.Cymru had not advised anyone to cut carbohydrates from their diets entirely, rather "advised people to limit carbohydrates", which sounds more reasonable.

I'm even going to be cheeky, as a Welshman myself (well 1/2 Welsh), was she given this advise in Welsh or English?
 
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