Low carb didn't work for me.

[Kat100]

Exactly right Kat that was what I found if you don't do LCHF the way they do it you are completely knocked back as being wrong and told as I was... you are a LCHF hater.. and only what they do is right.....if only there was a diet to suit all how much easier diabetes would be to control.
People became afraid to mention what that they did if it was not LCHF because of having their threads trashed We should all be able to say what we do and everyone should have respect for that and not be brushing it aside as not worth listening to
This is not supposed to be the LCHF forum but a forum for everyone to talk about how they control their diabetes in whatever way suits them

Yes Annie , with you there , I always respected everyone's choice of diet ....but when I said I did not follow Lchf it was awful , I got pm messages as well , some not very nice ,,some saying I was brave to,post because they knew the response I would get ....that was then ....but it made me feel awful ..I really did think what was the point of posting on this site ....
If we are moving forward now to freedom for all approach that is great news....

 

[Kat100]

I will still be different to you won't I even if I do develope the full T2 because we all do things different ways even LCHF dieters do that we all adapt our diets to suit ourselves

Does not matter what type we are.....

 

[douglas99]

That's why I gave it all up, and found a diet that worked for me.
Too many books, too many people selling things, too many people telling me everyone else was wrong and what they were selling wasn't needed.
So it's my own way.
I'm not on a diet. I'm living with diabetes.
I'm not chasing numbers, I'm controlling numbers.
I'm not following a strict regime, I'm fitting it into my life.

For me, that's my answer.

 

[noblehead]

Yes Annie , with you there , I always respected everyone's choice of diet ....but when I said I did not follow Lchf it was awful , I got pm messages as well , some not very nice ,,some saying I was brave to,post because they knew the response I would get ....that was then ....but it made me feel awful ..I really did think what was the point of posting on this site ....
If we are moving forward now to freedom for all approach that is great news....

Any nasty pm's should be reported to Giverny (Admin) so that she can have a look at them, no one should feel that they need to leave the forum (or not post) just because they don't follow a particular diet.

 

[Sid Bonkers]

Yes Annie , with you there , I always respected everyone's choice of diet ....but when I said I did not follow Lchf it was awful , I got pm messages as well , some not very nice ,,some saying I was brave to,post because they knew the response I would get ....that was then ....but it made me feel awful ..I really did think what was the point of posting on this site ....
If we are moving forward now to freedom for all approach that is great news....

This is exactly the reason I rarely post to the forum now, over the years I have had such a lot of abuse from evangelical low carbers that it came to the point where I thought whats the point, every post of mine was instantly jumped on by the usual idiots and I get called a low carb anti which is just not true.

I lost over 4 stones by low carbing and had I not done so I would not have lost the lions share of my insulin resistance and be able to eat the diet that I now enjoy, but because I dont avoid all obvious carbs that somehow makes me a low carb anti hahahahaha.

I told Giverny exactly that and said that was the reason why lots of good posters no longer post to the forum but nothing was done and the idiots still post their lies and their low carb propaganda rubbish on a regular basis.

Its a great shame as this forum used to be a great recourse for all things diabetic but sadly now its just all about low carb diets and anyone with an alternative approach to control is attacked or ridiculed.

It makes me laugh now though as a lot of the worst offenders seem not to be able to lose weight and also have much worse control than some of the people who are not so restrictive with their diets. A post last week insinuated that you could either low carb or take more meds, and if thats not low carb propaganda I dont know what is as lots of members here do not follow a strict low carb diet, in fact there are probably as many diabetic diets as there are diabetics, none of us follow the same diet as anyone else, dont we all adapt our diets to our particular tastes and level of control.

 

[AndBreathe]

Come on guys; isn't all this talk of the nasty people perpetuating the conflict there sometimes is on these threads? Can't we all just enjoy the successes of those who have found their way and support those who are finding it a bit trickier, whatever their approach?

 

[Kat100]

Any nasty pm's should be reported to Giverny (Admin) so that she can have a look at them, no one should feel that they need to leave the forum (or not post) just because they don't follow a particular diet.

Thank you nobblehead ....this was in my earlier days of joining .....I dealt with the situation .....I have learnt more about the site since then ...
I and others had horrid posts another time ....mo dealt with them . Thank you ....best wishes Kat

 

[Jill the tt]

That's why I gave it all up, and found a diet that worked for me.
Too many books, too many people selling things, too many people telling me everyone else was wrong and what they were selling wasn't needed.
So it's my own way.
I'm not on a diet. I'm living with diabetes.
I'm not chasing numbers, I'm controlling numbers.
I'm not following a strict regime, I'm fitting it into my life.

For me, that's my answer.

hi, can you explain how you work your pancreas, i've been trying to find info on this and can't, i was of the understanding that if the cells aren't working properly and we take the load of them they can repair, once dead then lost forever, i've been LCHF in the hope they would repair, do i have this wrong, i've searched for the info and can't find anything written on this, would be glad if you can point me towards this.

also i did read some where that the timing of drinking alcohol affects the numbers making them low, i can't find it now.

i feel sorry this seems to be such a ***** fest as far as diets are concerned, with so much negativity in the world we should be able to pull together and support each other, what does it matter what anyone does, it doesn't affect any one else, we will all die at some point.

love the diving shots tried it in Fiji, great fun

 

[Kat100]

This is exactly the reason I rarely post to the forum now, over the years I have had such a lot of abuse from evangelical low carbers that it came to the point where I thought whats the point, every post of mine was instantly jumped on by the usual idiots and I get called a low carb anti which is just not true.

I lost over 4 stones by low carbing and had I not done so I would not have lost the lions share of my insulin resistance and be able to eat the diet that I now enjoy, but because I dont avoid all obvious carbs that somehow makes me a low carb anti hahahahaha.

I told Giverny exactly that and said that was the reason why lots of good posters no longer post to the forum but nothing was done and the idiots still post their lies and their low carb propaganda rubbish on a regular basis.

Its a great shame as this forum used to be a great recourse for all things diabetic but sadly now its just all about low carb diets and anyone with an alternative approach to control is attacked or ridiculed.

It makes me laugh now though as a lot of the worst offenders seem not to be able to lose weight and also have much worse control than some of the people who are not so restrictive with their diets. A post last week insinuated that you could either low carb or take more meds, and if thats not low carb propaganda I dont know what is as lots of members here do not follow a strict low carb diet, in fact there are probably as many diabetic diets as there are diabetics, none of us follow the same diet as anyone else, dont we all adapt our diets to our particular tastes and level of control.

Nice to hear from you sid ....
What you said makes me feel,very sad ...
You are not anti carb neither am I ....
I have explained my diet in simple terms....
I am happy for us all to,share our own pathways of choice ...but bring ridiculed is not on ...
It is a shame when good posters leave ...
The support private messages I received were from people who did not post any more ...
This is such a shame ....
Take care Sid ....best wishes ...Kat ....

 

[Kat100]

Come on guys; isn't all this talk of the nasty people perpetuating the conflict there sometimes is on these threads? Can't we all just enjoy the successes of those who have found their way and support those who are finding it a bit trickier, whatever their approach?

Sadly there is conflict ....not always support ....

 

[AndBreathe]

Sadly there is conflict ....not always support ....

That's no different from the real world, or life in general. Sadly we live in an imperfect world.

 

[Kat100]

We do, perhaps we set our expectations to high ....so many attitudes values and beliefs ....all good , but a bit of understanding and support of others goes a long way , much healthier as well .....best wishes Kat

 

[Andy12345]

forgive my ignorance, im not sending kat naty pms or jumping on sid, im not disrespecting other peoples choice of diet or being able to eat pot noodles, im firstly saying that the title of this post is an anti low carb title (im sorry you dont like the anti term but im not a p.c. type of person) douglas was low carbing along with limited calories and fat for a long while, he will happily admit he reduced hes carbs dramatically, he now is it seems able to tolerate more carbs etc thats fine but does his success not mean that hes reduced carb diet worked? should the thread not be titled something along the "how i do it now" theme? (im not trying to tell him what he should call hes threads, im just saying that when a thread is titled in a negative way, invites attack from the likes of me) secondly as you all know, people come here in a state of panic (i did) desperate for help, due to the lack most of us recieved at the quacks, i dont understand how telling someone to reduce their carbs at least in the early days can be a bad move, sid for example has just explained the benefits it had for him, now a newbie coming along see the title of this thread and it immediately sows doubt in their mind that low carbing isnt a good idea, bearing in mind the doctor or nurse already told them to eat lots of carbs, it means the title has reinforced in the mind of the newbie that they should not go low or reduced carb, we surely all agree reducing carbs is a good thing? if the thread was "how i reduced my blood glucose eating a low fat, high carb diet" and contains good info then that would be awesome, and gives the newbie a choice of plan, i am not brain surgeon but have understood enough of what ive read to know these threads dont exist, sure some people have increased their carb intake because they couldnt live without bread or rice or found it all too restrictive and thats fine, they got a handle on things then modified it to suit their lives, but the fact remains every single new diabetic should reduce their carbs, now the reason i say anti,is each and every time i talk about low carb, someone will come along a say its not the only way etc and how we are all different, yes its not your way or my way, it just clouds the water in this very muddy pond, a newly diagnosed diabetic should cut back on the carbs, plain and simple, everyone else doesnt matter, they are not new and know all about their chosen path and how we all are different.

so yes im evangelical about low carbing, no i couldnt give a monkeys
who dosent like low carbing for whatever reason, no more than them liking or agreeing to my reasons for not liking or agreeing with low fat diets, the message to reduce carbs is all thats important to me, folks that have been here for a while are here to either stay up to date with the latest info, help newbies or socialise (or all of those in my case) if someone makes a thread with an antagonistic title it will achieve its goal and antagonise, no point complaining when it does and no point saying your afraid to post something because people will attack you then
repeatedly post it saying the same thing everytime

appologies if this makes no sense im typing from my phone and its hard to edit my mistakes and everything is just my opinion


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[paul-1976]

Couldn't have put it better myself Andy.

 

[zand]

Exactly that Andy, thank you. Like you I stayed to help newbies. I can only tell them what has helped me

 

[Jill the tt]

this is fast becoming a them and us thread, i must say if i had found this as a newbie i would have been very confused, the turn around with many health care people about carbs being the problem , so much new evidence and as with all reserch follow the money. i believe the hunter gatherer following is much more complex than we see on the surface and has to do with how food is modified today, which is a wholly bad thing

 

[Kat100]

We are all,different ..I think that is so very important ....
I don't like to antagonise threads .....I find them interesting ....
I do low carb and medium carb ,,but not high fat ....that is not knew news ....
I have stayed because I feel,my skills are better employed in supporting people , emotionally when the need arises ...and I like joining in some of the threads .
I to have had support from this site ....from some great members ...
But talking about my diet I don't do that much ....
Sharing my success with hba1c numbers yes I do,that and I am delighted .thanks to Andrew Colvin who,has helped with my numbers ....
I don't go in for the line of attack ....does not help IMHO
But we are all different ....and I will remain feeling sad that some people don't post because of how they feel regarding their diet
Think,I will always feel new to this awful health problem ....even if it will be two,years soon ...Kat

 

[douglas99]

hi, can you explain how you work your pancreas, i've been trying to find info on this and can't, i was of the understanding that if the cells aren't working properly and we take the load of them they can repair, once dead then lost forever, i've been LCHF in the hope they would repair, do i have this wrong, i've searched for the info and can't find anything written on this, would be glad if you can point me towards this.

also i did read some where that the timing of drinking alcohol affects the numbers making them low, i can't find it now.

i feel sorry this seems to be such a ***** fest as far as diets are concerned, with so much negativity in the world we should be able to pull together and support each other, what does it matter what anyone does, it doesn't affect any one else, we will all die at some point.

love the diving shots tried it in Fiji, great fun

The short answer is no, I can't explain it.
Maybe the weight loss I had helped enough with my insulin resistance to let the remaining cells cope.
Maybe they rested and recovered
Maybe it was something else.
I got fed up of reading different studies that showed everyone was right, or everyone was wrong.
I got fed up with the arguments.
I had a meter, I ate a calorie restricted diet to lose weight and watched the meter.
I got to my target weight, on food that suited me.
I then needed to find a maintenance diet, I always said I'd probably increase the fats, so I tried higher fats, and kept the carbs purposely low. I was only on 200g of carbs and protein before, so it wasn't hard merely to add fat, and up the protein a bit more.
I found if I did eat any high carb meal, I spiked, even on stuff I was normally good with.
So, for the lifestyle I wanted, low carb didn't work for me.

I added carbs back, and found I became more tolerant in general after that.
It seems to be a common theme though.
If you LCHF, you should always re-introduce some carbs before a GTT test for example.

I'm not evangelical, I've never said any one else should try it, I wouldn't ever advise my diet is the one anyone should be on, everyone should find a diet that suits them.
I'm telling what happened to me, no one has to even read it.
But then, no one should try to stop it being told really either.

 

[AnnieC]

Yes Annie , with you there , I always respected everyone's choice of diet ....but when I said I did not follow Lchf it was awful , I got pm messages as well , some not very nice ,,some saying I was brave to,post because they knew the response I would get ....that was then ....but it made me feel awful ..I really did think what was the point of posting on this site ....
If we are moving forward now to freedom for all approach that is great news....

How nasty was that whoever they were should be very ashamed of theirselves that is not what you expect from a forum just because you do a different diet to theirs We should all be able to say what we do and be respected for that Hopefully it will now get better on here and we will not be afraid to speak about our diets if they happen to be different to LCHF

 

[mpe]

Yes Annie and your way will always be at least a bit different to mine because you are only pre diabetic (not actually diabetic) and I am type 2.

The distinction between "pre-diabetes" and "T2" is rather arbitrary anyway.
There are also a number of other situations which might be more usefully described that way.