Thought so.
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Low Carb Diets Dangerous
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Made from "heart healthy" veg oil perchance?
lucylocket61
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you can lead a horse, or anything else, to water.........................
methinks someone doth protest too much lol
methinks someone doth protest too much lol
Pinkorchid
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I was not really meaning the study. We are all sensible adults and we will listen to the suggestions on here and what others find helpful then make our minds up as to what is best for us We do not need someone telling us we will risk our life, eyes and limbs if we don't do it a certain way.None of us know who will have complications so that should not be used even if we think their diet is wrong
lucylocket61
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if there is a clear pathway pointing to a higher risk of complications eg higher carbs equals higher blood sugar levels, then its not a case of idle speculation, its highlighting a known danger so others can make informed decisions. Their decision may be to ignore the warnings. And thats ok. But we cant make informed decisions without the people sharing best current information available to us.
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I am sure those doing the Newcastle diet will keep up with the latest news about it but that is another subject .Nothing is an excuse for telling people they will suffer terrible complications if they do not do it a certain way because none of us can know that
Yes I see your point of view.
Mine is that I saw two people I know lose legs. I couldn't do anything to help them. It was horrific. All they did wrong was to follow the standard NHS advice. I cry every time I think of them. If only I had known about low carb back then. Would they have listened? Maybe, maybe not, but at least I would have done my best to help - which is what I am doing now. No we don't know who amongst us will suffer, that's true. Personally I don't want anyone at all to suffer, so I speak out. My conscience won't let me stay silent, especially here amongst friends who I care about.
You may call it spouting 'doom and gloom', I call it caring.
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Pinkorchid
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Exactly what I said people can read the suggestions and what others do on here then make their own informed decision what they want to do There is no excuse for trying to scare people about awful complications that they may get when we do not know who will have them if they decide not to do low carb and enough to make members run and never come back
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Very well said - I absolutely agree with this post.
There have been some very intelligent and insightful posts in support of low carb on this forum. Also some very good links have been posted that have shown just how appallingly bad this study was. A prime example of really bad science. I have shared these links with another forum I am on (I do hope that this is OK).I
@Pinkorchid I get it, you don't like low carb high fat.
I don't care what method someone uses to control their diabetes. Everyone should try to do what's best for them.
This thread is about the ridiculous non-study which slams low carbing...when they didn't even follow people who were low carbing! Surely you must see that is wrong? If it's wrong for us to rubbish your own personal method of dealing with diabetes then can't you see that it's also wrong for an organisation to publish this slur on low carbing...with no real evidence whatsoever (because there is none) ? That can only send people running from low carb, when it might be the only answer for them personally.
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Where does that leave your 'informed choice?' This isn't about this forum. This is a worldwide issue. People are twisting the 'facts' to put a slur on low carb diets, when they have worked so well for so many diabetics. There is no way to justify this. It is plain wrong.
I don't care what method someone uses to control their diabetes. Everyone should try to do what's best for them.
This thread is about the ridiculous non-study which slams low carbing...when they didn't even follow people who were low carbing! Surely you must see that is wrong? If it's wrong for us to rubbish your own personal method of dealing with diabetes then can't you see that it's also wrong for an organisation to publish this slur on low carbing...with no real evidence whatsoever (because there is none) ? That can only send people running from low carb, when it might be the only answer for them personally.
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Where does that leave your 'informed choice?' This isn't about this forum. This is a worldwide issue. People are twisting the 'facts' to put a slur on low carb diets, when they have worked so well for so many diabetics. There is no way to justify this. It is plain wrong.
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lucylocket61
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unfortunately what I, and many others, consider to be informing people to help them make informed choices, is viewed by you a scaremongering.
so which is it? at the moment you are saying both things, and they cant both be right. It is either information or scaremongering.
lucylocket61
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Meanwhile, back on topic:
the report is so flawed, its ridiculous
low carbing wasnt even covered by the report
therefore the reports message that low carbing is dangerous according to their conclusions is also wrong.
simple logic.
high blood sugars lead to complication = right always
carbs raise blood sugar levels in type 2 diabetics = also always right.
therefore eating higher carbs than our bodies can manage will lead to complications = again, always.
eating fewer carbs = less medication and fewer complications
more simple logic
complications WILL happen if we dont control our blood sugars. There is no doubt about that = right.
the report is so flawed, its ridiculous
low carbing wasnt even covered by the report
therefore the reports message that low carbing is dangerous according to their conclusions is also wrong.
simple logic.
high blood sugars lead to complication = right always
carbs raise blood sugar levels in type 2 diabetics = also always right.
therefore eating higher carbs than our bodies can manage will lead to complications = again, always.
eating fewer carbs = less medication and fewer complications
more simple logic
complications WILL happen if we dont control our blood sugars. There is no doubt about that = right.
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I would personally never say to someone they are risking their life eyes and limbs because they are not doing low carb that is not informative I would say that low carb does lower blood glucose but we can't yet say it stops complications but we hope it does lower the risk so worth trying
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They would not be ignorant of the facts if they belong to this forum and have read the threads about low carb and would therefore have the information to make the decision
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I know what you mean, one of my friends is being in my opinion a complete idiot. He has a brain tumour and type 2. A mutual friend and I have been working on him for months, he will not go and see my wife a HCP who deals with diabetes. The last time I saw him blood glucose number of 24, yes 24.....and don't forget what brain tumours like (for those who don't know, high insulin and high blood glucose). My older brother told me 2 weeks ago he is pre-diabetic whilst around our Mums. I took him aside to have a word and he basically shut me down. I have been contemplating how to get through to him, as he is also a smoker, again one of the worst things you can do alongside a milder form of diabetes, and let's face it in a modern context someone who is pre-diabetic and does nothing will only go one way. As he is a relative I am going to use my second birth right shot to at least give him some information. On the other hand the same best friend who is trying to help our tumour friend is a Karate instructor. One of his students is Type 1 with roller coaster numbers - he proactively wants to talk about low carb.
If there's one thing I know, humans are unpredictable, unique and cannot be second guessed. For a techy like me it is very hard understanding the nuances and "we" tend to be quite matter of fact, of what is the problem, what is the solution; that's why it is good that others like my wife have the skills to get into the individual.
lucylocket61
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how have you managed to miss all the evidence on this site alone? and I dont mean the forum only, I mean the entire site, let alone the rest of the internet.
lowering carbs = fewer complications. see the bit in your post I have bolded. High carbs = complications. Logic.
at no point has anyone said it stops all and any complications full stop forever.
One cannot have informed choice if people are stopped from telling the truth, thus preventing half of the necessary information.
lucylocket61
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you have called this 'scaremongering' and said you dont think the facts should be available for people to read. You cant have it both ways. You really cant.
BTW low carbing is under 130g a day. Quite reasonable, and what even diabetic nurses recommend these days, because of the risk of complications.
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No that is not good information when someone stated on this thread to one member they were risking their life eyes and limbs by what they are doing that to me was trying to scare them Of course people want good information that helps them to make a decision and that is what is usually given on here but that did not come under good information it was scary with absolutely no proof it is true
